I'm like a lost child QQ hand 25nl

[sixsixtie]

Opponent is 27,18,1.5

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $42.40
CO: $20.55
Button: $41.90
SB: $8.50
BB: $25.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.35, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($32.35, 2 players)

Hero falls to the ground with confusion.


It seems like none of the options are good. He obviously has a verys strong hand. However a check fold seems very weak to me. I mean we do beat pair/ace of diamonds hands. However out side of that we don't beat much. Should I have played the flop differently to avoid this situation?

[sixsixtie]

Am I to take it from the lack of replies here that I just have to bite the bullet and accept that this is one of those hands that all options are [censored]?

[stillnaive]

Probably c/f. The reraise could imply a nut 4-flush, but you could just as easily be drawing dead. If he's got a set or a weakish four flush, you could possibly push him off the hand... but probably not in 25nl.

Pretty easy c/f for me.

[bsball8806]

His flat call confuses me. I think we can safely eliminate 66, 99, and JJ from what he has. He can't have a straight, and two pair is so unlikely. A hand like 10dQx, or KdQx would be trying to get it in as quickly as possible imo. I also doubt he has a low flush (J high or worse). That leaves only a couple of possible hands:

Axd, Kxd, Qxd (does AdJx do this here?)


*edit*
Brain fart, I think it's much more likely he has top pair w/flush draw. Probably get it in here. This blank turn doesn't help his hand.

[DennisGPunkt]

Uuhm... I might not be the best in those spots, but i usually just call the flop raise and play pretty passive. I probably call down, if he has an aggr factor of like 2+, cause he will bet his jack and this way i get max value out of him. If he flopped a flush... happens..

[doppelganger]

WTF are all of you talking about? Hero's 3bet on the flop commits him to the hand. A safe card fell on the turn. Just get it in, this will be a scared J or draw enough that you can't fold at this point.

[stillnaive]

Exactly what percentage of JJJ calls the flop 3 bet?

[doppelganger]

AJ is obviously a small part of villain's calling range, but gutshots w/ a diamond, A9 w/ a diamond, even A6 with a diamond are all possible.

The mistake in this hand, IMO, is building such a large pot on the flop w/ just a pair. Once he's done that, it's too late to get away from the hand.

Edit: By the way, despite my authoritarian tone in stating my opinion, I could very well be way off here. If I am then it's probably a huge leak that I need to fix. Somebody set me straight if my logic is bad.

[Arp220]

Looks suspiciously like a flush draw. Make the [censored] pay and pot that bitch on the turn.

I have to stop posting in here after 5 redbulls...

[well named]

This deep is it really a good idea to make a 3-bet with QQ on this flop? Certainly 4-flush hands (and pair+draw hands) are in his range, but the best result we can really hope for after a 3-bet is a fold, because whether he calls or shoves we'll be in a pretty sick spot, out of position, and it's much easier for him to put us on mostly overpairs than it is for us to figure out what percentage of his range we have good equity against.

Basically, QQ is just not that strong on this board and raising this flop heavily this deep just turns our hand into a bluff in my opinion. We may have the best hand on the flop, but we are also out of position and this is a pretty bad RIO situation. I don't like it as a default play without a read.

That said, every option is tough so I'm not sure I can really advocate just folding to the flop raise. Just calling and getting it on a blank turn might be a decent compromise (bet/call).

Certainly as played you have to get it in on a blank turn. When you raised the flop you basically already decided that, and you shouldn't have raised the flop unless you intended to do so.