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Old 11-12-2007, 07:48 PM
shimmle shimmle is offline
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Default OESFD OOP

BB: $56.45
Hero (UTG): $53.90
MP: $52.50
CO: $43.05
BTN: $87.95
SB: $49.50

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls $2

Turn: ($7.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $15</font>, <font color="red">Hero..
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:49 PM
derosnec derosnec is offline
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Default Re: OESFD OOP

um i dunno. your outs aren't disguised.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: OESFD OOP

I like a bigger pre-flop raise ($2)


Definitely bet the flop bigger. $2.70 - $3.00.



Any stats or reads on villian?


I mean you're definitely either calling or shoving the turn.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:55 PM
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Yea I like almost definitely shove this turn.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: OESFD OOP

my first instinct was to shove, but board is so coordinated as to reduce alot of our FE (two pairs, straights, sets, etc. are all likely here)
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:55 PM
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one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. Sometimes I'll crai with it. here, you have a pair with it. I call his turn raise. He's put in half of his stack and FE is probably around zero. I peel one off looking for my half of the deck.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:56 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. S

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This is pretty terrible if you actually mean that. So you would bet $52.40 into the $3.75 flop? That is really really bad.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:01 PM
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I think what he could have that he's calling a shove with:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,476 games 0.005 secs 695,200 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd Ts 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.714% 39.53% 04.19% 1374 145.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 56.286% 52.10% 04.19% 1811 145.50 { JcJh, JcJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AcJc, AhJh, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, JcTc, JhTh, Jc9c, Jh9h, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, AcJh, AdJc, AdJh, AhJc, AsJc, AsJh, KcQd, KcQh, KdQc, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, QcJh, QcJs, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJc, QhJs, QcTd, QcTh, QdTc, QdTh, QhTc, QhTd, JcTd, JcTh, JhTc, JhTd, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jh9c, Jh9d, Tc9d, Tc9h, Td9c, Td9h, Th9c, Th9d, 87o }
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:03 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
I think what he could have that he's calling a shove with:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,476 games 0.005 secs 695,200 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd Ts 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.714% 39.53% 04.19% 1374 145.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 56.286% 52.10% 04.19% 1811 145.50 { JcJh, JcJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AcJc, AhJh, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, JcTc, JhTh, Jc9c, Jh9h, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, AcJh, AdJc, AdJh, AhJc, AsJc, AsJh, KcQd, KcQh, KdQc, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, QcJh, QcJs, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJc, QhJs, QcTd, QcTh, QdTc, QdTh, QhTc, QhTd, JcTd, JcTh, JhTc, JhTd, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jh9c, Jh9d, Tc9d, Tc9h, Td9c, Td9h, Th9c, Th9d, 87o }

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that is way too big of a range for someone who raises the turn at 50nl
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: OESFD OOP

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. S

[/ QUOTE ]


This is pretty terrible if you actually mean that. So you would bet $52.40 into the $3.75 flop? That is really really bad.

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yes, I actually meant that. most of the time, it doesn't mean much. But we are ahead most of the time that we either take the pot right there, or we embrace a little variance and usually take down a monster. Plus, it confuses the hell out of ALL of your opponents (as long as you don't show when you aren't called).

edit: this is usually in a retardedly loose/agg game. sometimes I'll just grossly overbet the pot, sometimes crai. Then again, it's been a while since I've sat in a tight game.
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