2nd nuts 4 flush board - can i pay this off?

lapoker17 · #1 11-09-2007, 02:53 AM

25/50 i think 5 handed 100bb effective. utg may be a little gambly, but he's playing a few tables with full stacks and hasn't done anything retarded yet. 10th hand or so at the table. he prob thinks i am ok/solid reg.

he raises utg to 175 folded to me in bb w A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and i just call.

flop A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot 370)

i ck, he bets 285, i call.

turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot 940)

i ck and he cks behind.

river 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot 940)

i bet 660 and he pretty quickly mashes bet pot and raises biggish to 2890 or something...

deadmoney98 · #2 11-09-2007, 03:03 AM

Obviously this sucks, but I would probably call mainly because checking the turn with the Ace of spades seems non-standard.

RandomUser · #3 11-09-2007, 03:13 AM

I talk myself into a call, but I expect to lose over 50% of the time.

And you have 3rd nuts, since T8s is possible, but I doubt he raises that UTG.

I agree the turn line is a bit odd if he has the As, but if he has AsXx, he might not want to call a CRAI from a made flush on the turn.

fsuplayer · #4 11-09-2007, 03:15 AM

id fold pretty quick.

lwrunner103 · #5 11-09-2007, 03:17 AM

def. fold no way is he bluffing/Vbetting light enough for you to be good 1/3 of the time.

fsuplayer · #6 11-09-2007, 03:27 AM

its not even worth considering bc you could so easily have chk'd the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] twice and the fact that he instapotted it seals the deal.

raptor517 · #7 11-10-2007, 01:24 AM

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id fold pretty quick.

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end of thread.. wtf

lapoker17 · #8 11-09-2007, 03:16 AM

yeah sry - i knew it wasnt 2nd nuts when i was in the hand just not worth considering at 100bb. anyway, carry on.

Ansky · #9 11-10-2007, 11:07 AM

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Obviously this sucks, but I would probably call mainly because checking the turn with the Ace of spades seems non-standard.

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so u call w/ the 8s cause u think hes bluffing? or u call w/ the ks cause he can have worse spades?

raptor517 · #10 11-10-2007, 02:16 PM

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Obviously this sucks, but I would probably call mainly because checking the turn with the Ace of spades seems non-standard.

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so u call w/ the 8s cause u think hes bluffing? or u call w/ the ks cause he can have worse spades?

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oh good i didnt have to say it. 8s is same as Ks like.. theres maybe 1% chance hes trying to bluff with a worse spade than a K but higher than an 8.. so i mean he either has As or bluff, and ppl just dont bluff here enough to make calling profitable. and really u HAVE to look at it as Ks = 8s. otherwise you are just being stubborn. good fold, dont sweat it, monkeys be monkeys.