10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain

MrWooster · #1 11-07-2007, 08:10 PM

Villain is very passive, 24/2 and very low AF.

I think this hand is fairly simple, but I the way villain flat called the flop raise really really scared me though the flop is pretty dry. What is our plan on the turn?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $45.40
BB: $8.20
Hero (UTG): $10
MP: $9.85
CO: $10
BTN: $13.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.45, BB folds

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.70, MP calls $1.70, SB folds

Turn: ($5.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero...

Mr_Pathetic · #2 11-07-2007, 08:36 PM

i think MP will have a big hand here unfortunately. I will bet and probably fold to a raise without at least a set. his flop play is pretty standard for someone with a set. I really do not see him raising you if you bet turn with anything but a set however I think he will call you down with top pair so I would bet turn an fold to his raise after some time and colorful language uttered.

MrWooster · #3 11-07-2007, 08:54 PM

Exactly my thinking, but if I bet the turn here about $4 it commits me to calling a shove...

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $45.40
BB: $8.20
Hero (UTG): $10
MP: $9.85
CO: $10
BTN: $13.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.45, BB folds

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.70, MP calls $1.70, SB folds

Turn: ($5.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.30, MP raises to $7.65 and is All-In, Hero...

I am getting about 5 to 1 to call....

Mr_Pathetic · #4 11-07-2007, 08:57 PM

but do you think he will raise you with any hand you beat? if getting five to one you got to be right 1/6 times and if he never raises with a hand you beat then you are right 0/6 thus meaning you cannot call.

MrWooster · #5 11-07-2007, 08:59 PM

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but do you think he will raise you with any hand you beat? if getting five to one you got to be right 1/6 times and if he never raises with a hand you beat then you are right 0/6 thus meaning you cannot call.

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I agree - so does this mean that I should not be betting the turn?

Mr_Pathetic · #6 11-07-2007, 09:00 PM

na keep betting turn cause he will keep calling with a T probably. you just need to differentiate his calling range with his raising range on the turn.

bsball8806 · #7 11-07-2007, 08:55 PM

If he raises you, you have to fold, given his low aggression.

However, if he flat calls, I probably value bet the river.

bsball8806 · #8 11-07-2007, 08:57 PM

This sucks....but we have such good odds I think I call and hope for A 10.

CubicZirconia · #9 11-07-2007, 10:41 PM

If you make a reasonable bet on the turn you'll be putting in over half of your stack and basically committing yourself. Thus I would only bet the turn if you're looking to get all in. Stack to pot ratio is almost 6, so you need to decide if you want to move here. I don't like bet folding the turn though. He flat-called a dry board on the flop which tells me he likes his hand. I wouldn't expect him to fold to a turn bet. Again, I'd only bet if I want to put put all the money in. That's me.

MrWooster · #10 11-08-2007, 09:45 AM

Ok,

Thanks for the replies... it seems that no-one is 100% sure what to do here.... I think that I think that its going to be hard not to get it AI on the turn here though I think often I will be behind.

Results for this hand:

I bet the turn, villain shoved, I called and he had JJ --- my QQ held up.

However, I think that I was very lucky here....