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Old 11-04-2007, 12:35 PM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

Villain is complete unknown

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $56.64
CO: $89.06
BTN: $162.08
Hero (SB): $99
BB: $175.39

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $9

Flop: ($23) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $18</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $151.08 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

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Old 11-04-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

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Great. Why?
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

Villians line indicates he isnt a great player.

(i.e the mini-raise, the flop raise)

There are two types of player he could be:

1) YAY ZOMG ZOMG I MADE A SET. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIN !


2) Top Pair? HAS TO BE GOOD VS SMALL BLIND, BUT HE MIGHT HAVE ACE KING. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIN !

I really want to say "his line is a a set looking for immediate pay off" but I think most people look to just call here w a set. I'm not gonna say he could be on a different level and just be owning us w air, because his pf line suggests he isn't.

It COULD be two pair. But I would rather assume villiant doesnt call 3-bets with 34/T4/T3 untill I see that he does.

It could be 56 (ZOMG ZOMG Ive just read supersystem)

It Could be a slowplayed overpair that got scared on the flop... but why the shove?

I think this is a wa/wb and I would call. If anything we gleam some insight into villians level. I hate passing this up just because it's gorss overbet.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

meh, call
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

lol, snap call
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

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Great. Why?

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you have no history or image so he's gotta be putting you on a very strong range with your action. yet he's not concerned at all. i think he has KK+ here a lot
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

Snapler.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

Don't think it matters.

Board: 3h 4s Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.339% 33.91% 01.43% 11750 495.00 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 64.661% 63.23% 01.43% 21910 495.00 { 99+, QTs, JTs, 43s }
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: 2nd hand at table, wtf spot with JJ

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Great. Why?

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you have no history or image so he's gotta be putting you on a very strong range with your action. yet he's not concerned at all. i think he has KK+ here a lot

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Villain is a fish so I doubt he is thinking very clearly about hero's range. I call in this spot against a fish since I expect sets to play slower and ive seen retards go nuts with underpairs and top pair in reraised pots many many times. That being said, I think he would play kk and aa like this a fair amount of the time but I still think ur gonna be seeing some underpairs and random tens figuring that the board is good for their hand.
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