25NL Okay to fold KK here?

[RapidEvolution]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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Button ($9.15)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($17.85)</font>
BB ($9.45)
UTG ($10.30)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($21.70)</font>
MP2 ($5.35)
Hero ($27.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1.25, MP1 calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls $6, Hero folds.

Turn: ($18.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10.35 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls $10.35.

River: ($0) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $38.95

Less than 20 hands on each villain. Flop fold okay here?

[AlexB182]

I think it's fold or shove here but I don't blame you for folding here though I think you could easily have the best hand right now. Problem is: if SB bets out with something like AJ and MP1 calls with say two spades or even a big combo draw, you're not even a fav to win this hand even though you're in front right now...

[PokerFun007]

At this level, I'd shove and hope to get heads up against one drawer...or take it down now (unlikely)

[AllTheCheese]

Shove flop. Not okay to fold IMO.

[iponnet]

need some reads, without them its a close one probably shove.

[RapidEvolution]

I normally don't mind getting in here HU, but against a pot sized donk bet AND a call, I don't think I'm ahead of both of them often enough to shove. Alex, I agree and think that honestly, that's the best case scenario (1 has TP, the other has a draw).

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Board: Ts Js 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.283% 56.56% 00.72% 73544 942.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 11.243% 11.16% 00.08% 14514 106.00 { AJs, AJo }
Hand 2: 31.474% 30.67% 00.81% 39878 1048.00 { AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KQs, 9s8s, KQo }

In the best case scenario, I have some nice equity, but as soon as we start adding 2 pairs and sets, it gets murky. Again, I'm assuming that one has a made hand and the other has a draw.


Board: Ts Js 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.074% 29.86% 00.75% 101934 2556.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 44.174% 39.69% 00.03% 135463 106.00 { JJ-TT, 55, AJs, JTs, AJo, JTo }
Hand 2: 24.792% 28.89% 00.78% 98613 2662.00 { AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KQs, 9s8s, KQo,AK }

Without FE, shoving seems marginal at best. :/

[Dennisa]

SPR of 3, I do not think I am folding an overpair.