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Old 11-03-2007, 03:29 PM
maverickai maverickai is offline
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Default To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

Button is 31.72/26.16/3.19,2.9,1.50 237 hds
SB is 60/0.64/033,0.53,0.84 157 hands


Button is very LAGG

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
HERO calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, HERO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, HERO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">HERO ??</font>

I'm more inclined to raise for value here, in case I hit my straight on the later streets. Oh, I've even got overcards that I can make it 4-5 more outs. That gives me 12-13 outs in total.

My consideration is that if I raise, I'll be getting SB to go along for the ride too, given he has already called one bet from the button. However LAGG button is still to act behind me, and there is a possibility he might re-raise. Any case for this concern here? If he re-raises, well, that would be value for me if I hit my straight here.

In general, how do I play when I'm OOP with a flush draw/OESD with a LAGG acting behind?
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Old 11-03-2007, 03:33 PM
B2_eBoogaloo B2_eBoogaloo is offline
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

SB is not folding for 2 more if button 3-bets (which he usually will). You will not get a free card very much, so the value is slim. You could probably add a couple outs for overcards. So let's raise.

Regarding pre-flop, 8-handed, this is a raise.
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Old 11-03-2007, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

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SB is not folding for 2 more if button 3-bets (which he usually will). You will not get a free card very much, so the value is slim. You could probably add a couple outs for overcards. So let's raise.

Regarding pre-flop, 8-handed, this is a raise.

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This is a raise pre-flop from UTG with KQ offsuit?
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

raise pf. don't raise flop as you are oop.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:57 PM
B2_eBoogaloo B2_eBoogaloo is offline
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raise pf. don't raise flop as you are oop.

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oh duh, how did I miss OP OOP..oops!
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Old 11-03-2007, 05:21 PM
OziBattler OziBattler is offline
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

as played I just call the flop when it comes back round and prepare to spring the tarp if we hit. no point killing implied odds just yet.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

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This is a raise pre-flop from UTG with KQ offsuit?

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I like to raise pf with KQo at FR. 8-handed the pf raise is probably standard.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

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This is a raise pre-flop from UTG with KQ offsuit?

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I like to raise pf with KQo at FR. 8-handed the pf raise is probably standard.

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I just read HFAP. KQo is in Grp 4, not a good hand to raise UTG. Anyway with certain players in this table, the pot most likely will get raised, so I choose to call, and see the flop if it's going to be favourable. But of course, if it's suited, I'll raise.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

I like raising stuff UTG because everyone respects those raises. As played I like a flop raise, and a freecard if given.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: To raise the flop with straight draw in MP?

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This is a raise pre-flop from UTG with KQ offsuit?

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I like to raise pf with KQo at FR. 8-handed the pf raise is probably standard.

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I just read HFAP. KQo is in Grp 4, not a good hand to raise UTG.

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I wouldn't use HPFAP's advice on starting hands in micro games. SSHE tight would serve you a lot better in my view.

I noticed your post about JJ. I imagine there are games in which that advice is sound -- it's pretty much how I play JJ in a sitngo -- but I can't see how it's better to limp JJ in a loose micro game, where raising for value is mostly best. I don't think you can go far wrong if you raise every hand that figures to have an equity edge.

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Anyway with certain players in this table, the pot most likely will get raised

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Surely then it's better to raise?
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