33 pretty standard vs unknown?

DavidC · #1 11-03-2007, 02:02 AM

first hand, 33 in the bb

utg apparently posted, woot!

I'm pretty comfortable with my hand on the river, enough that I think I'm probably ahead of his range, but I also don't think I'm going to get called often enough for a bet to be of value. Any comments?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG checks, 2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

Xylocain · #2 11-03-2007, 02:11 AM

I think this is fine. This could easily be TT or JJ scared into submission. Betting and checking river is probably close. w/e

QueBob · #3 11-03-2007, 03:00 AM

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I think this is fine. This could easily be TT or JJ scared into submission. Betting and checking river is probably close. w/e

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This is random analysis, you need to read HPFAP to understand the odds here. Sklansky splains it well in his book, the odds thing. Do you guys read 2+2 books or just spew advice? UFB

Blzdwrath · #4 11-03-2007, 03:48 AM

Quebob I don't think you understand the situation, it is HU in a blind war. BLIND WAR!

QueBob · #5 11-03-2007, 03:50 AM

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Quebob I don't think you understand the situation, it is HU in a blind war. BLIND WAR!

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I get it, I've been in this spot a thousand times. My personal opinion stands.

elindauer · #6 11-03-2007, 05:09 AM

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I think this is fine. This could easily be TT or JJ scared into submission. Betting and checking river is probably close. w/e

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This is random analysis, you need to read HPFAP to understand the odds here. Sklansky splains it well in his book, the odds thing. Do you guys read 2+2 books or just spew advice? UFB

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A smart man once said to me that there is no point in discussing something with a person who has made up their mind. For what it's worth, I think you can play winning poker and fold 33 in these spots, probably as high as maybe 30/60. And by the time you get up there, you'll look back at these posts and laugh. Enjoy the ride.

-eric

QueBob · #7 11-03-2007, 02:45 AM

Fold the flop. You'll lose a lot of money chasing 22-44 pockets. I wouldn't fault you for folding preflop. Get away from these small pocket money losers quickly. I call this with two callers per HPFAP, fold this preflop is ok.

sharpie · #8 11-03-2007, 04:19 AM

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Fold the flop. You'll lose a lot of money chasing 22-44 pockets. I wouldn't fault you for folding preflop. Get away from these small pocket money losers quickly. I call this with two callers per HPFAP, fold this preflop is ok.

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Folding PF sucks, as does folding the flop.

River seems close, but he won't always payoff A high so I think checking behind is fine.

QueBob · #9 11-03-2007, 04:30 AM

Learn the odds peeps..

Flop set or better from a pocket pair: 11.8% (7.5-1)
On the turn: 4.3% (23-1)

YOU MUST KNOW THE ODDS TO MAKE THE CORRECT +EV DECISION!

sharpie · #10 11-03-2007, 05:04 AM

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Learn the odds peeps..

Flop set or better from a pocket pair: 11.8% (7.5-1)
On the turn: 4.3% (23-1)

YOU MUST KNOW THE ODDS TO MAKE THE CORRECT +EV DECISION!

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You're neglecting implied odds and the fact we don't need pot odds if we have the current best hand.