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10-31-2007, 04:41 PM
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50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
Sorry but no reads, b/c my pa hud isnīt aorking atm...
Is pushing bad? i think in hand 2 this is the bigger question. i basically know what i did wrong but just want confirmation. hand 1 Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $78.20 MP: $27.55 CO: $91.70 Hero (BTN): $66.70 SB: $54.35 BB: $61.15 Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $2 Flop: ($5.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $4 Turn: ($21.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, UTG calls $14 River: ($49.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, hero?? hand 2 Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $87.90 BTN: $52.75 SB: $29.50 BB: $95.30 UTG: $64.50 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, BTN calls $2, SB folds, BB calls $1.50 Flop: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3, BTN folds Turn: ($12.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls $8 River: ($28.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $28.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero shoves wtf? 
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#2
10-31-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
hand 1 - value bet on the river. your most likely good here. I'd imagine villain has a King.. called you on the turn (wasnt scared of the potential flush), and will check/call the river.
hand 2 - call. maybe raise if you have any reads on villain on leading out. I imagine he has something like KJ, J8, etc. If he has a better flush, nh and reload.
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#4
10-31-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
1. value shove this.
2. having no reads sucks, we don't know what he'll do with a low flush if he's reraised on the river. I still think I shove this. if he has a higher flush, it's a cooler. only 4 hands beat us anyways.
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#5
10-31-2007, 05:54 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
Hand 1: I just valuebet this $28-$35 given we don't yet know villain is bad enough to call the value shove and he is pretty certain to call the vb given turn action.
Hand 2: We are deepish here so I call, but that is probably losing us value due to over-cautious weak-tightness. My guess is that hot players push here. I don't.
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#6
10-31-2007, 06:23 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
#1:
nh so far - poooooosh river for value all day we gots less than a PSB left. #2: raise flop. We want to make the pot bigger so that on later streets if we make our flush we can get all the chips in. We are deepish and a half pot bet on the flop isn't going to cut it I think. If he reraises big he has a set and we can fold our draw. As played push river to get value from KJ/set/worse flush - there are a bunch more hands he can have that he'd play like this that we beat than there are higher flushes and if he's got the straight flush - nh. When you are playing baby flushes and you make the flush you are pretty committed - why are you playing these hands in the first place to back down when you make the hand??
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#9
10-31-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
With regard to hand 2, are you not mildly concerned with the flop bet sizing??
Villan has either picked a crap board to b/3bet on or is drawing also. Massive reverse implied odds. Who 1/2 pots this flop with a K? On the flop, for me this is fold>>PSR>>>>>call (considering villans 1/2 pot bet size).
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#10
10-31-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: 50nl- 2 flush situations... shove?
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hand 2 -- this is how a passive villain would play the nuts or second nuts. You have neither. I'd flat call an unknown/non-spewy opponent. [/ QUOTE ] There is no worse flush that calls a pfr except 23h unless you have read enough to think this villan plays any two suited.
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