Standard AK pf spot

friskyfleabag · #1 10-30-2007, 11:08 PM

No reads, only just joined table.

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Hero ($24.90)
Button ($25.45)
SB ($23.85)
BB ($40.35)
UTG ($23.37)
MP ($19.14)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Hero ?

Lego05 · #2 10-30-2007, 11:17 PM

I'd 4bet and call a shove.

MicroDonk666 · #3 10-31-2007, 01:54 AM

lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...

bsball8806 · #4 10-31-2007, 02:02 AM

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lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...

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I can't think of a worse play than folding here. We raised in CO, so it's possible BTN think's we're doing this with Ajunk or random crap. I definitely 4bet here. If he shoves, this makes it a much tougher decision. I think I'd find my way to the fold button, though, w/0 any reads.

MicroDonk666 · #5 10-31-2007, 02:09 AM

bsball what would u be looking at for the 4bet? $10 -$11? basically pot committed with a decent 4bet and what do we do on the flop if we miss? Cbet how much? c/f? bluff push? against an unknown i think I'd call at best but maybe I'm just a nit haha

Zaid_Ahmed · #6 10-31-2007, 02:20 AM

4-bet/call is clearly the best line. folding is real bad

Pussy Galore · #7 10-31-2007, 02:30 AM

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bsball what would u be looking at for the 4bet? $10 -$11? basically pot committed with a decent 4bet and what do we do on the flop if we miss? Cbet how much? c/f? bluff push? against an unknown i think I'd call at best but maybe I'm just a nit haha

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if u 4 bet your pot committed therefore just shove.

Lego05 · #8 10-31-2007, 05:03 AM

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lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...

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People will fold a lot of hands that your flipping with but are slightly ahead of you like 77-JJ to your 4bet. Also they'll fold a lot of other stuff they were raising with to your 4bet...basically you'll win right there most of the time. That's basically were a lot of the value comes from. And if you're flipping who cares. The money in the pot makes it +ev. And even against QQ+ AK has ~32% equity.

Folding would be really bad.

wodka · #9 10-31-2007, 06:18 AM

i would just fold pf if i had a read that villain is doing this only with his big pairs like QQ+ ... otherwise i like the 4bet and call a shove line.

Even if it might not be +EV with AK it surely is with my entire 4betting range. If you just 4bet KK+ you wont get many calls with your premium pairs in this situation.

whyzze · #10 10-31-2007, 06:21 AM

OOP definately 4bet. I dont care if its a shove or not. Not getting into that. cant fold after a 5bet either.