ye olde preflop checkup

[bdaddy]

live 30 game. player limps UTG, I raise KJss in MP, VERY passive player directly to my left 3 bets( range=JJ+), next player cold caps( his capping range is QQ+ heavily weighted toward AA/KK), SB swallows 3.5bets cold, and UTG calls.

18:2? how much would you need to call here?

[private joker]

Insta-call, don't even think about it. Flop a flush draw, cap the flop and turn, then miss on the river and fold for one bet getting 26:1.

[BadBigBabar]

i'd fold given your reads and that action. i'd call with pocket pairs, and jts and qjs and kqs, and obv with ako, aks and aqs.

disclaimer: i'm an online player transitioning to live, and haven't played as high as a 30 game yet.

[piggity]

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live 30 game. player limps UTG, I raise KJss in MP, VERY passive player directly to my left 3 bets( range=JJ+), next player cold caps( his capping range is QQ+ heavily weighted toward AA/KK), SB swallows 3.5bets cold, and UTG calls.

18:2? how much would you need to call here?

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You're actually getting 19:2 (including big blind). Depending on UTG/SB ranges, your equity here is probably slightly greater than 10%, so call I guess.

[bdaddy]

piggity, you're right, i mistyped it.

[Munchkin Mayor]

Given your read, I'd seriously consider folding. Feels like you are going to be trapped for lots of bets and, without hitting your flush, almost always lose.

[DeuceKicker]

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Given your read, I'd seriously consider folding. Feels like you are going to be trapped for lots of bets and, without hitting your flush, almost always lose.

[/ QUOTE ]Not necessarily. The point of his read is that he knows the flop probably needs to hit him good, so he isn't going to go nuts raising if the flop comes Jack-high. And without the flush and/or straight draw he can dump it if he starts to get sammiched between the other PFRs.

[BadBigBabar]

deuce, we can play any 2 middling and up cards with that reasoning [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

in a limit vs nl game though i think sometimes these pf laydowns can be mathy and sometimes "correct"/provable

online at least, with this action, i turbomuck against solid players.

[AAlphamale]

Just curious: why do you raise KJs?

[bdaddy]

this is an extremely easy/standard raise for value vs UTG's(and most random live players) limping range.