I pressed the donk with KK and he pressed back.... what to do??

[Lostit]

The villain in question here is 55/6/7 over 70 hands. I've basically got the donk on the ropes with KK, but catch an Ace on the turn and then get min bet/re-raised all in.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $76.90
BB: $62.95
UTG: $41.40
MP: $41.60
Hero (CO): $49.10
BTN: $47.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, UTG calls $4.50

Turn: ($17.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $33.15 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???[/i]

Do you ...

A.) Give credit for the Ace here? FOLD
B.) Give credit a slow played monster here? FOLD
C.) Attribute this to a semi-bluff flush draw? CALL
D.) Attribute this to a straight out bluff since his aggression is so high? CALL

This players aggression by street is 4/11/INF, but only 70 hands. Either way, he does get crazier on the later streets.

With the way he played this, Ax is definitely within range, but so are a bunch of junk holdings.

Basically is a $20 call to win an additional $63. What would you do here?

[Micro Donk]

what does raising accomplish? a bad card hit you, and ill accept villains offer of a very cheap showdown at this point. its pretty much turning your hand into a bluff, i cant see a line queen calling

[Lostit]

Lets say I do simply call the 50 cent bet, look where that puts me on the river...

A.) I just told a guy with a 7 postflop aggression that my flop action was a c-bet and I'm not that confident in my hand. I'm almost guaranteeing the fact that I'll be dealing with a much larger river bet to call if I want to stay in.

B.) I have a board with 2 hearts on board, and a straight draw on board. If he has 67, then any 4 or 9 could work. If he had a Q, an another one comes, I'm behind there. If another heart comes, I'd be concerned also. If a J, 10 or K come, I could be making a straight draw come in there also.

My point is that there are not many cards that would come on the river that wouldn't make some sort of possibility for the villain to bluff into, and I'm almost possitive that he would bet harder on the river if shown weakness.

Basically you shut down KK when any ace hits the board and say goodbye to the 16 BB that you've already invested in the pot?

[Lego05]

Fold.


I just call his turn bet though.

[oli1980]

I like the hand. Now fold. This is never a draw.

You could have called the $0.5 but would have to call a higher river bet if you think he will realize that you are weak and act accordingly.

[DemonOfTheFall]

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Basically you shut down KK when any ace hits the board and say goodbye to the 16 BB that you've already invested in the pot?

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I think Pokey said somewhere that average winrates for KK/AA over a large sample should be in the vicinity of 10-20 BB/100 in PT. Going on Pokey's advice I'd be more than happy to win a ~20BB pot with KK than lose 100BB.

[ICMoney]

He bet like a butterfly and stung you like a bee.

Sucks when the donks donk you.


Oh yea, fold.

[KRE8R]

Call his small bet on the turn and pray for a K on the river. At this point you are behind and should call only because the pot is so large. I wouldnt worry that much about giving him information by showing down. I would worry about not stacking off to him.