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Hi all,
im new on this forum so i introduce myself. Im a 23 year old profesional poker player from Holland. playing 25/50NLH on several european sites. I decided to post here cause on dutch forums there arent many very good players who can answer my question. I have an big PT database and i wanna use it against my opponents by analyzing their betting patterns. I have already been thinking about flop patterns. Sometimes i figure someone is leading the flop with mediocre and hands (like a low top pair) and leadng flush and straight draws, but if i know this how can i use it against them? and what can i find out more on flop patterns? Or should i try to find out more on turn and river patterns? And how should i do this? and how can i use this this against them? I hope my question is clear, if not ask me and i will answer as soon as possible. Thanks! |
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Hi all, Im a 23 year old profesional poker player from Holland. playing 25/50NLH on several european sites. [/ QUOTE ] don't lie |
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take a look at celebpoker and cakepoker, playing there at least 20 hours a week
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saan,
instead of asking people to do the work for you, why don't you come up with hypotheses and examples for us to talk about? you have a big PT database so you will be able to dig up hands. for instance, show us a bunch of different types of betting patterns through hand examples - then hypothesize how you can use those betting patterns against them. you're a 25/50nl player so you should be smart enough to come up with something good. then we can all analyze. good luck!! |
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Hi KRANTZ,
thanks for you reply, it wasnt my itention to let all the work for me done. Its certainly a good idea to post some different types of hands. I thought it is a good idea to start with one opponent. I have changed his nick to playerX cause he might read here or type his name is google. I have already noticed that he plays his hands a lot different against weaker player than against strong players. So i only slow hands that he played against good players. I selected some hands where he was on a pure bluff, a few hands when he flops it(set or straight), some hands when he has an overpair and some hands when he hits his pair on flop. If i forget someting let me know then i try to find it. I also have added some 10/20 hands cause that database is a lot bigger. on a pure bluff: BossMedia Game #797763327: Table Table TH 849 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:41:45 - 2007/10/22 Seat 1: Energie123 ($14909.00) Seat 2: Super_Saan ($4950.00) Seat 3: AAKK20 ($11291.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($5607.23) Seat 5: olemandus1 ($4925.00) AAKK20 posts the big blind of $50.00 Super_Saan posts the small blind of $25.00 Energie123 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [6s 6c] PlayerX raises $200.00 olemandus1 calls $200.00 Energie123 calls $200.00 Super_Saan calls $200.00 AAKK20 folds *** FLOP *** [2s 3s Td] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $550.00 olemandus1 folds Energie123 calls $550.00 Super_Saan folds *** TURN *** [2s 3s Td] [Js] PlayerX checks Energie123 checks *** RIVER *** [2s 3s Td Js] [Kc] PlayerX bets $1550.00 Energie123 calls $1550.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $5047.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [2s 3s Td Js Kc] Energie123 won ($5047.00), showed [Jd Th] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks AAKK20 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [9s 7h] olemandus1 won ($0.00), mucks pair + draw: BossMedia Game #729368457: Table Table TH 24 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:38:08 - 2007/08/24 Seat 1: Super_Saan ($9531.00) Seat 2: Im a THUG ($7945.00) Seat 3: hakan83 ($4197.00) Seat 4: Pokergirl_ ($5928.50) Seat 5: PlayerX ($5369.00) Im a THUG posts the small blind of $25.00 hakan83 posts the big blind of $50.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [4d Jc] Pokergirl_ raises $200.00 PlayerX calls $200.00 Super_Saan folds Im a THUG folds hakan83 folds *** FLOP *** [9d 6d Ts] Pokergirl_ bets $350.00 PlayerX calls $350.00 *** TURN *** [9d 6d Ts] [7d] Pokergirl_ checks PlayerX checks *** RIVER *** [9d 6d Ts 7d] [5d] Pokergirl_ bets $550.00 PlayerX raises $2000.00 Pokergirl_ calls $2000.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $5172.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9d 6d Ts 7d 5d] Pokergirl_ won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks Im a THUG won ($0.00), mucks hakan83 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($5172.00), showed [8d Td] top pair weak kicker: BossMedia Game #795425764: Table Table TH 5 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:44:01 - 2007/10/20 Seat 1: PlayerX ($4944.00) Seat 2: HelmetHero ($5225.00) Seat 3: repicas ($3661.00) Seat 4: Super_Saan ($5866.00) Seat 5: MANOUEL ($6016.00) repicas posts the small blind of $25.00 Super_Saan posts the big blind of $50.00 HelmetHero is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [Ah 7h] MANOUEL folds PlayerX raises $200.00 HelmetHero calls $200.00 repicas folds Super_Saan folds *** FLOP *** [9d 9s Kd] PlayerX checks HelmetHero checks *** TURN *** [9d 9s Kd] [8h] PlayerX checks HelmetHero bets $500.00 PlayerX calls $500.00 *** RIVER *** [9d 9s Kd 8h] [8s] PlayerX checks HelmetHero bets $1500.00 PlayerX calls $1500.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4472.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9d 9s Kd 8h 8s] PlayerX won ($4472.00), showed [Ks Td] HelmetHero won ($0.00), showed [4c As] repicas won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks MANOUEL won ($0.00), mucks underpair to the board in big pre flop pot: BossMedia Game #795462408: Table Table TH 446 - $50.00/$100.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:16:05 - 2007/10/20 Seat 1: Super_Saan ($19900.00) Seat 2: AllUcanE@T ($39730.54) Seat 4: AAKK20 ($9235.00) Seat 5: PlayerX ($7995.00) PlayerX posts the big blind of $100.00 AAKK20 posts the small blind of $50.00 AllUcanE@T is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [2c 6s] Super_Saan folds AllUcanE@T raises $400.00 AAKK20 calls $400.00 PlayerX raises $1600.00 AllUcanE@T calls $1600.00 AAKK20 calls $1600.00 *** FLOP *** [5c 9c Kh] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** TURN *** [5c 9c Kh] [8s] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** RIVER *** [5c 9c Kh 8s] [4c] AAKK20 checks PlayerX checks AllUcanE@T checks *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4795.00 | Rake $5.00 Board: [5c 9c Kh 8s 4c] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks AllUcanE@T won ($4795.00), showed [Jd Jc] AAKK20 won ($0.00), showed [7s Js] PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [Th Ts] underpair to the board in low pot: BossMedia Game #783471549: Table Table TH 123 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:17:15 - 2007/10/10 Seat 1: Big Gay Al ($7308.50) Seat 2: fredd333 ($10011.27) Seat 3: PlayerX ($5000.00) Seat 4: majamus20 ($1134.72) Seat 5: Super_Saan ($7507.00) majamus20 posts the big blind of $50.00 PlayerX posts the small blind of $25.00 fredd333 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [3s 7h] Super_Saan folds Big Gay Al raises $150.00 fredd333 folds PlayerX calls $150.00 majamus20 folds *** FLOP *** [6s Jh 6h] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al bets $250.00 PlayerX raises $750.00 Big Gay Al calls $750.00 *** TURN *** [6s Jh 6h] [9c] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al checks *** RIVER *** [6s Jh 6h 9c] [2s] PlayerX checks Big Gay Al checks *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1847.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [6s Jh 6h 9c 2s] Big Gay Al won ($1847.00), showed [Td Jd] fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($0.00), showed [3c 3h] majamus20 won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks flopped set: BossMedia Game #780560450: Table Table TH 819 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:45:31 - 2007/10/07 Seat 1: PlayerX ($2221.00) Seat 2: DogEatz_ ($4443.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($1980.00) Seat 4: fredd333 ($10982.66) Seat 5: Aniquil ($2047.00) DogEatz_ posts the big blind of $20.00 PlayerX posts the small blind of $10.00 Aniquil is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [Jh Kd] Super_Saan raises $80.00 fredd333 calls $80.00 Aniquil calls $80.00 PlayerX calls $80.00 DogEatz_ calls $80.00 *** FLOP *** [5d Kh 2h] PlayerX bets $320.00 DogEatz_ calls $320.00 Super_Saan folds fredd333 folds Aniquil goes all-in with $1967.00 PlayerX goes all-in with $2141.00 DogEatz_ folds *** TURN *** [5d Kh 2h] [Qd] *** RIVER *** [5d Kh 2h Qd] [8h] *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4651.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [5d Kh 2h Qd 8h] PlayerX won ($4651.00), showed [2d 2c] DogEatz_ won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks Aniquil won ($0.00), showed [Ks 2s] flush draw with overs: BossMedia Game #783420270: Table Table TH 820 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:28:15 - 2007/10/10 Seat 1: Big Gay Al ($1980.00) Seat 2: casinotour ($968.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($2000.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2147.00) Seat 5: Alusch54 ($4889.16) Big Gay Al posts the small blind of $10.00 casinotour posts the big blind of $20.00 Alusch54 is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [6d 7d] Super_Saan raises $80.00 PlayerX calls $80.00 Alusch54 calls $80.00 Big Gay Al folds casinotour calls $80.00 *** FLOP *** [Ts 6c 7s] casinotour checks Super_Saan bets $280.00 PlayerX calls $280.00 Alusch54 raises $710.00 casinotour folds Super_Saan folds PlayerX calls $710.00 *** TURN *** [Ts 6c 7s] [Ad] PlayerX goes all-in with $1357.00 Alusch54 calls $1357.00 *** RIVER *** [Ts 6c 7s Ad] [8s] *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4741.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Ts 6c 7s Ad 8s] Alusch54 won ($0.00), mucks Big Gay Al won ($0.00), mucks casinotour won ($0.00), mucks Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($4741.00), showed [Ks Js] a flopped straight: BossMedia Game #721199628: Table Table TH 200 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:33:31 - 2007/08/16 Seat 1: ros65 ($734.50) Seat 2: Super_Saan ($3198.00) Seat 3: Tilt@JeKi ($1970.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2269.00) Seat 5: YES_I_WON ($2783.80) ros65 posts the small blind of $10.00 Super_Saan posts the big blind of $20.00 YES_I_WON is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [8h Jh] Tilt@JeKi folds PlayerX raises $60.00 YES_I_WON calls $60.00 ros65 folds Super_Saan calls $60.00 *** FLOP *** [9c Js Tc] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $140.00 YES_I_WON folds Super_Saan calls $140.00 *** TURN *** [9c Js Tc] [7d] Super_Saan checks PlayerX bets $260.00 Super_Saan calls $260.00 *** RIVER *** [9c Js Tc 7d] [2h] Super_Saan bets $900.00 PlayerX goes all-in with $1809.00 Super_Saan calls $1809.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4605.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [9c Js Tc 7d 2h] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks ros65 won ($0.00), mucks Tilt@JeKi won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($4605.00), showed [Kc Qc] YES_I_WON won ($0.00), mucks top pair top kicker: BossMedia Game #780563025: Table Table TH 819 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:48:53 - 2007/10/07 Seat 1: PlayerX ($4625.00) Seat 2: DogEatz_ ($4250.00) Seat 3: Super_Saan ($4007.00) Seat 4: fredd333 ($8882.66) Seat 5: Aniquil ($2000.00) fredd333 posts the small blind of $10.00 Aniquil posts the big blind of $20.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [7c 7d] PlayerX raises $80.00 DogEatz_ calls $80.00 Super_Saan calls $80.00 fredd333 folds Aniquil folds *** FLOP *** [Qs 4c Th] PlayerX bets $220.00 DogEatz_ calls $220.00 Super_Saan folds *** TURN *** [Qs 4c Th] [6h] PlayerX checks DogEatz_ checks *** RIVER *** [Qs 4c Th 6h] [5h] PlayerX bets $560.00 DogEatz_ calls $560.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1827.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Qs 4c Th 6h 5h] DogEatz_ won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($1827.00), showed [Qh Ah] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks fredd333 won ($0.00), mucks Aniquil won ($0.00), mucks value betting top pair when only beat QJ: BossMedia Game #747560882: Table Table TH 380 - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:10:15 - 2007/09/09 Seat 1: bmhykss ($2321.00) Seat 2: fico100 ($1293.44) Seat 3: EL-MILAGRO ($1777.00) Seat 4: PlayerX ($2037.00) Seat 5: Super_Saan ($2272.00) fico100 posts the big blind of $20.00 bmhykss posts the small blind of $10.00 Super_Saan is the button *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Super_Saan [5d Kh] EL-MILAGRO folds PlayerX raises $60.00 Super_Saan folds bmhykss calls $60.00 fico100 folds *** FLOP *** [Ts Js 4c] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $100.00 bmhykss calls $100.00 *** TURN *** [Ts Js 4c] [6d] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $260.00 bmhykss calls $260.00 *** RIVER *** [Ts Js 4c 6d] [3d] bmhykss checks PlayerX bets $520.00 bmhykss calls $520.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1897.00 | Rake $3.00 Board: [Ts Js 4c 6d 3d] bmhykss won ($0.00), mucks fico100 won ($0.00), mucks EL-MILAGRO won ($0.00), mucks PlayerX won ($1897.00), showed [Kd Jd] Super_Saan won ($0.00), mucks so what should i notice at these patterns and how can i use this against him? I hope we can all learn from it. If there is anyting missing in this post, let me know. Thanks! |
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umm these are not betting patterns. these are hands a specific player has played with no real relation to each other. your OP talks about flop leads or turn bets; this is all just random and scattered.
if you want to discuss specific players, or even get a better idea of just what betting patterns are, i would suggest getting a coach or at least spending some more time by yourself, looking at your hands and using your brain to think about poker analytically. |
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