Play along hand, trips 287 BB deep

Bill Smith · #1 10-20-2007, 10:37 PM

SB is running 41/3/5.5 (not a typo) over 40 hands. Pretty straight forward play so far as I could tell.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($28.75)
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB raises to $1.6, Hero...?

TTStrangler · #2 10-20-2007, 10:40 PM

whew, maniac, pop it to 5?

HasPair · #3 10-21-2007, 04:53 AM

3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

Soultwister · #4 10-21-2007, 05:21 AM

I strangely see SB's line quite often when they are on a flushdraw or straightdraw as well. Versus calling stations I agree with 3-betting here, vs people who are trying to be tricky I often just call and bet or raise the turn if a non-spade arrives to spoil their OOP free card play.

Obviously, the real plan for the turn is to hit the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Now if he has a T here you are behind to AT/KT obviously, but ahead of JT/T9/T8, which are all in the range of someone with 40% vpip.

If he also is a calling station postflop (his AF is high, but I mean calling with bad odds), I'd 3-bet here to slightly over the size of the current pot + his reraise size.

Also, being effectively nearly 300BB's deep, I would not call a shove here without more specific reads.

Bill Smith · #5 10-21-2007, 04:19 PM

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I strangely see SB's line quite often when they are on a flushdraw or straightdraw as well. Versus calling stations I agree with 3-betting here, vs people who are trying to be tricky I often just call and bet or raise the turn if a non-spade arrives to spoil their OOP free card play.

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So yeah, this was my plan. Play continues:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($28.75)
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB raises to $1.6, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($4.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3.9, Hero...

bozzer · #6 10-21-2007, 04:41 PM

to get all the money in you need to raise somewhere... like now.

2p2J · #7 10-21-2007, 05:27 AM

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3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

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Although this post is plain and simple, it gets the job done for this situation IMO also.

Xanta · #8 10-23-2007, 01:13 AM

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3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

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This sucks. Against someone as aggro as he is, if you 3pop the flop he knows you can't be pushed off and is shutting down. The most effective counterstrategy to maniacs is just letting them hang themselves. Call flop, re-eval turn, either calling or raising depending on what happens and how much he bets (and he will bet)

bsball8806 · #9 10-23-2007, 01:23 AM

ughhh I really don't like a bet on this river, it really seems like it would turn our hand into a bluff. If villain has A 10 or K 10, I doubt he gives you credit for the naked 8 and folds. However, if he has a lower 10 than you I can't see him c/f here.

Bill Smith · #10 10-23-2007, 12:10 AM

So as AFC said, I didn't trust that AF and figured this was just a loose-passive donk on a rush over 40 hands. When I called the flop, my plan was to bet/raise a safe turn, but then the 41/3 bets pot into a card that wasn't exactly a rag after having min-raised the flop. I'm not sure if I should read that as a strong or weak play, and I had absolutely no idea how to react to a push.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($28.75)
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB raises to $1.6, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($4.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3.9, Hero calls $3.90.

River: ($11.90) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets?

Whether my opponent was on a flush draw or had a hand and was trying to bet me off a draw, it's now pretty likely I've been ahead the whole way and just want a weak ten or whatever to pay me off.

Like I said, I played it pretty badly. I probably should be happy to get it in at some point, but it should have started with a 3-bet to 5 on the flop.