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10-20-2007, 01:30 PM
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Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
I ran into this hand last night. Villain hasn't done anything too exciting that I can remember, but he is about 60/10/1.6 after 40 hands.
Call or fold? PokerStars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (8.00 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">SB bets $1.75 (all in)</font>, UTG folds, Hero... 
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#2
10-20-2007, 01:35 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
Call, you've almost got the odds to draw against TP, and there's a very real chance he's donking a flush draw on the flop or just trying to get the last of his money in.
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#3
10-20-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
looks like we have 6 outs if we're behind, and we also get to pay ~1BB for the river and SD. Villain could be donking with the flopped flush draw. Maybe I'll work out the math on this.
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#4
10-20-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
Flip a coin? Eh, even if you are behind your 6 outs are still good a lot of the time, but the possibility that he has a pair + the fact that you can't make any more money in the hand + rake just pushes this to a fold I think.
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#8
10-20-2007, 10:10 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
Allin limit players do not play logically; you cannot supply them with any hand ranges at all that match board value. They have made the decision to play out of blind and go for double.
The standard move is to call and then donk or check/raise the flop. This is easily a heads up situation where you are playing at 60/40 most of the time. Limpers from UTG are not opponents that I worry about too much in 6 max. You have 6 outs against him if you aren't ahead. You know that you have to see the river for more than your call bet and AQ is normally a cb situation. Nothing has changed its still a CBet its just a more expensive one than normal. I have spent a lot of time looking at limit all in situations and I find it imperative to try and split the pot as soon as possible. 3 way with premium starters you rarely lose both pots. I find that splitting a pot quickly reduces variance, just like running it twice.
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#9
10-20-2007, 10:30 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
he is all in, he has any 2 cards, you are probably ahead, instacall
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#10
10-20-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: Interesting All-in Situation (Yes, this is limit)
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Allin limit players do not play logically; you cannot supply them with any hand ranges at all that match board value. They have made the decision to play out of blind and go for double. [/ QUOTE ] I believe you're underthinking it (surprised?). It would be different if this were an all-in 3-bet preflop. The flop gave him something worth firing at. It's often a flush draw or a pair. The flop matters. [ QUOTE ] This is easily a heads up situation where you are playing at 60/40 most of the time. Limpers from UTG are not opponents that I worry about too much in 6 max. You have 6 outs against him if you aren't ahead. [/ QUOTE ] Except that it's not heads up. UTG also has something on this flop worth continuing with. Maybe it's overcards, maybe it's a pair, maybe it's a flush draw, I just don't know. I'd rather sit back and use my position to make a decision on the turn. And having a 6-outer is not really a good reason to be throwing bets around. It would be different if I had a flush draw and overcards or some other big draw where I really don't care. I have a thinnish draw if I'm behind. [ QUOTE ] I have spent a lot of time looking at limit all in situations and I find it imperative to try and split the pot as soon as possible. 3 way with premium starters you rarely lose both pots. I find that splitting a pot quickly reduces variance, just like running it twice. [/ QUOTE ] I have no clue what you're saying here, but from what little sense I can make of it, you're spewing here based on "I has A-high preflop".
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