nl200 weird 3bet pot spot

[ManChild]

I don't really have any read on villian which is part of why this is diffucult, at the time of the hand he was on 2 of my tables, could have been on more, i didn't check.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($61.40)
Hero ($209.80)
UTG ($144.10)
MP ($108.20)
CO ($315.20)
Button ($420.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $36</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $28.

Flop: ($83) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ? what is a good line here??

[cooker3]

Bet/folding
About 60 seems good.
Are we turning our hand into a bluff? Well the bet is more for protection and to make our life easier. If he had a draw you want to charge him, if he has something like Jacks or AQ then if you check your put yourself in real awkward spot and making a big mistake of folding the best hand.

[ManChild]

if we bet 60 and he shoves we have to put 114 into 317, you don't think hes drawing / full of [censored] often enough to call that?

[Richie Rich]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $36, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $28.

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Not sure if I agree with your HUGE re-raise btf, especially since you don't have any read on the villain (LAG, calling station, TAG?). But given the strength that you're representing, I would fire $75 on the flop to make it look like a fast-played AA/KK.

[ManChild]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $36, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $28.

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Not sure if I agree with your HUGE re-raise btf, especially since you don't have any read on the villain (LAG, calling station, TAG?). But given the strength that you're representing, I would fire $75 on the flop to make it look like a fast-played AA/KK.

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there was 27 in the pot, and i raised 28, just 1$ over a pot sized raise, what is huge about that? what do you raise to?

[Richie Rich]

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $36,

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I somehow overlooked the button calling in between you and the CO/raiser. Even so, it still looks like there was $2+$8+$8+blinds = $21 before it came back to you. I suppose the raise was good if you were trying to isolate the CO/raiser to see the flop HU. However, the problem now is that you're OOP with an overcard on the board and you're up against (not one, but) two opponents with a decent sized pot to fight over.

That's the problem with QQ - it's a great hand to have before the flop, but actually plays much more like JJ than KK in terms of how vulnerable it is to overcards &amp;/or 2+ opponents after the flop. For this reason, I tend to play QQ more aggressively when I have position - and less so when I'm out.

What range of hands do you put the opponents on? Some issues you need to consider are: (a) given the pf action, could your opponents likely put you on AA/AK? and (b) if you played this hand aggressively, do you think you could push one of them off a possible AK/KQ?

[ManChild]

Richie Rich, Its a HU pot, you have looked at it wrong once again,

as for the money in the pot, you have to include my call in the pot before i raise.

[Fat Nicky]

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I would fire $75 on the flop to make it look like a fast-played AA/KK.

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c-betting this big in 3-bet pots is probably a leak. betting $50 accomplishes pretty much the same thing as $75.

[Richie Rich]

I hear what you're saying - but there are several ways to skin a cat. In this scenario, I suggested playing the hand fast to represent AA/KK/AK. One problem with betting $50 on this potential draw-board vs. 2+ opponents (when you're OOP) is that you don't gain enough feedback. By that, I mean, I'm more likely to "know where I'm at" when an opponent calls my nearly pot-sized bet than I would be if one or both called my half-pot bet.

Choosing between a $50 or $75 bet on the flop isn't about right or wrong - it's just a matter of personal choice.

[tarheeljks]

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Choosing between a $50 or $75 bet on the flop isn't about right or wrong - it's just a matter of personal choice.

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yes, you have the personal choice to make unnecessarily large bets. betting for feedback, esp a psb, is a waste of $. you are making the hand easier to play for you and the villain