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Villain seems pretty solid. 3bets a decent amount, but this is the first time I see him 4bet. I've 3bet (not too often imo) and called his pfr a couple of times before. The times I 3bet him pfr he folded. It's pretty early in the match, but he stacked off to me a couple hands before. In a reraised pot he shoved over my turn raise with a fd and he missed. Should I see this 4bet in this situation most of the time as strenght, cuz I shouldn't believe him after the bluff he made a couple of hands before and he knows that, or as weakness (tilt)?
FullTiltPoker Game #3861717542: Table Jobe (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:02:03 ET - 2007/10/15 Seat 1: Hero($909) Seat 2: erusugen ($396) erusugen posts the small blind of $2 Hero posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [Jd Jc] erusugen raises to $12 Hero raises to $36 erusugen has 15 seconds left to act erusugen has requested TIME erusugen raises to $108 Hero... Oh and if u think this is an easy fold or easy call, please tell me what u think is borderline |
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I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions.
1. Do you think he is tilting after stacking off? 2. How many times have 3 bet him? Are you doing it enough where he is getting pissed and wants to take a stand? You've only invested $36 so far. I think the biggest leak of players is they fall in love with pocket pairs preflop and feel they have to play them no matter what. Unless I know my opponent is tilting, I would probably muck this. |
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I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily . For instance , you may call the raise and shove all-in on flops that do not contain a q,k, or A . This would actually be more effective if he has overcards to your jacks . |
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[ QUOTE ] I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily . For instance , you may call the raise and shove all-in on flops that do not contain a q,k, or A . This would actually be more effective if he has overcards to your jacks . [/ QUOTE ] you are missing the point: villains will realize that it was a coinflip at the start of the hand, and therefore will call your suspect push. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily . For instance , you may call the raise and shove all-in on flops that do not contain a q,k, or A . This would actually be more effective if he has overcards to your jacks . [/ QUOTE ] you are missing the point: villains will realize that it was a coinflip at the start of the hand, and therefore will call your suspect push. [/ QUOTE ] That's exactly my point . There isn't much of a difference between shoving or calling so it's not necessarily a shove or fold situation . |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily . For instance , you may call the raise and shove all-in on flops that do not contain a q,k, or A . This would actually be more effective if he has overcards to your jacks . [/ QUOTE ] you are missing the point: villains will realize that it was a coinflip at the start of the hand, and therefore will call your suspect push. [/ QUOTE ] That's exactly my point . There isn't much of a difference between shoving or calling so it's not necessarily a shove or fold situation . [/ QUOTE ] I've been thinking about this for a few minutes, and I'm not sure. Can you expound upon this in terms of fold equity / calling ranges preflop to a push / flop play? Seems like pushing preflop could be SLIGHTLY better in terms of EV if we assume TT comes for the ride? What if we assume a few more 4-bet hands? Barry |
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[ QUOTE ] I think it's either push or fold, depending on two questions. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily . For instance , you may call the raise and shove all-in on flops that do not contain a q,k, or A . This would actually be more effective if he has overcards to your jacks . [/ QUOTE ] i cringe every time i read one of your posts. you don't want these cards to call in case villain has 99/TT |
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I thoguht a lot about this one. First off, I'd never call. JJ, maybe more than any other hand, loses value post flop. I think it's a push but it's super close. His reasonable range is prob 77+ and AQ AK. I would give less weight to AA, 77, 88 and AQ. There is also a small chance he is on trash like 44 or KJs. I think JJ is the cutoff but worthy. Although, I generally play $22 SNGS so I can't say I know this level.
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Call the raise . If he 3-bets a lot then I doubt his 4-bet range consists only of pocket q's and up .
How many hands have you played with this guy ? If you've played 100 hands and he's never 4-bet , then I would be very concerned . |
#10
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![]() Get it in quickly. I can easily see him doing this with a lower pair. Also KK+ will just call sometimes while AK will be 4b a larger % of the time. |
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