nl200 TT overpair whats the plan here?

pattay · #1 10-14-2007, 06:12 PM

the villain is a 2+2 and he is solid. i dont use a HUD, and the only real read i have on him is that ive seen him slowplay sets twice, and he generally hasnt spewed against me. im kind of lost here, whats my plan for this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($282.90)
CO ($147.75)
Button ($222.20)
SB ($237.20)
Hero ($215.95)
UTG ($209.60)
UTG+1 ($192)
MP1 ($162.85)
MP2 ($85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $26, CO calls $18.

Flop: ($53) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($53) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $24, Hero calls $24.

River: ($101) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $34, CO raises to $97.75, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $169

Results in white below: 
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins $169.

CalledDownLight · #2 10-14-2007, 06:17 PM

Bet the flop. I hate the river. I'd probably c/f, but c/c is ok with a read.

eof · #3 10-14-2007, 06:20 PM

iver is pretty spewey.. that blocking bet was asking for a bluff-raise.. i think you have to bet the flop.. maybe 40

pattay · #4 10-14-2007, 06:34 PM

yea i thought betting the flop woulda been best after the hand, problem was i thought i was behind and was prepared to c/f flop, i guess he suckered me in here?

too eazy · #5 10-14-2007, 06:48 PM

bet the flop for info if not value you coward ass [censored]

pattay · #6 10-14-2007, 06:57 PM

yea im a pussy kinda

Albert Moulton · #7 10-14-2007, 11:58 PM

It would have been OK to call for set value preflop despite being OOP.

As played, I think you really need to fire at the flop and see what he does. If he calls (or raises), then I doubt he has worse than JJ-AA.

If you check the flop and he checks behind, then lead the turn. At least make it look like the Q might have helped you since it might be a scare card for villain if he had TT-JJ.

As played, fold the river. You only beat a bluff with air. I don't think he has air here often enough to be profitable.

Renton · #8 10-15-2007, 12:43 AM

the threebet pre is bad. I would only 3bet here vs a player with a very wide range, and even then i'd call at least 75% of the time. It is simply the optimal play with TT.

As played to the flop, you should probably bet/fold (by the way this is the reason the 3bet pre sucks, because it causes you to have to turn an overpair into a bluff). Honestly the check on the flop isn't too bad though.

As played i don't mind the checkcall on the turn. And i would check call or check fold this river, depending on how i felt and what his betsize was. The blocking bet is just terrible, and honestly as played i'd probably call the river raise, because of how weak you look.

bottomset · #9 10-15-2007, 01:06 AM

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the threebet pre is bad. I would only 3bet here vs a player with a very wide range, and even then i'd call at least 75% of the time. It is simply the optimal play with TT.

As played to the flop, you should probably bet/fold (by the way this is the reason the 3bet pre sucks, because it causes you to have to turn an overpair into a bluff). Honestly the check on the flop isn't too bad though.

As played i don't mind the checkcall on the turn. And i would check call or check fold this river, depending on how i felt and what his betsize was. The blocking bet is just terrible, and honestly as played i'd probably call the river raise, because of how weak you look.

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I agree with all of this, very good advice

PenguinExpress · #10 10-15-2007, 01:12 AM

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the threebet pre is bad. I would only 3bet here vs a player with a very wide range, and even then i'd call at least 75% of the time. It is simply the optimal play with TT.

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Wait, what? Really? Does anyone else agree with this? I'm 3-betting with TT almost 100% of the time against a CO or BTN open by a solid regular. Would you 3-bet JJ?

FWIW, I agree w/ Renton on the play of the hand postflop. I don't like checking this flop, and I definitely don't like the small blocking bet on the river--if you are going to make a bet that weak, I think it has to be with the intention of calling a raise and this is not the hand I want to be doing that with.