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Old 10-13-2007, 11:35 PM
maverickai maverickai is offline
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Default Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

MP3 24.4/1.08/1.8 227hds

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button folds, Hero ??

I've been getting outkicked so many times in these few days... and my monster pairs have been hit by flushed, sets blah blah... all the running bad is making me disillusioned.

So here comes a hand that worries me that I'm outkicked possibly by AK. Should I call down?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

Why did you bet the flop?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:44 PM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

It would be a better option to check and then raise MP3's bet on the flop?

But given that I made the mistake on flop to donk, should I still have called down on the turn and river?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

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It would be a better option to check and then raise MP3's bet on the flop?

But given that I made the mistake on flop to donk, should I still have called down on the turn and river?

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What hand range do you put him on after the turn raise and with what degree of confidence?
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

It would be a better option to check and then raise MP3's bet on the flop?

But given that I made the mistake on flop to donk, should I still have called down on the turn and river?

Aaron, I estimate his range to be AK, AQ, and a small chance of flush draw like QKhearts
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:44 PM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

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Why did you bet the flop?

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ya srsly.

as played, i'm tempted to fold because villain's pfr is 1%! over 200 hands and because this line is AA (or AT) pretty often.
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

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Why did you bet the flop?

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Isn't this a WAWB situation with his pfr % being so low? If you're ahead to KK then calling down makes money if you're behind to AA or AK you'll need a varying degree of luck(depending on which holding he has) on the turn and river to win here, but you don't want to be betting for the villain here.
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Old 10-14-2007, 05:42 AM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

Why is the flop donk so terrible? Is it because of the guy's stats or bad in general?
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:40 AM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

c/c the flop
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:55 AM
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Default Re: Call down with A split pair, J kicker?

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c/c the flop

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How about the turn and river? If I dun hit a J, do I still call down to showdown? Sometimes, with a 3rd of 4th ranked kicker, I'm worried I get outkicked, and not sure if folding would become a leak.
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