.25/.50 Am I misapplying SSHE here?

arch_angel · #1 10-12-2007, 04:31 PM

The CO posts pf, so I called assuming it would be at least 4 handed, probably 5. On the flop I have TPWK w/ a gutshot and back door flush draw, so I just call with the intention of re-evaluating on the turn. The turn is an over, but also gives me a flush draw to go with my gut shot, so I figure I'm drawing to 15 outs or partial outs (2 8s, 4 9s, and 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s) so I call the turn bet and kick my self for not thinking about the players left to act when I get raised? How horrible is the application of my math? How should I have played differently? Is this the kind of thing that's so basic it should go in the beginner forum? Should I have raised on the flop to make the field pay two bets into a small pot or do I only get called there when I'm beat? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to rebuild my game from the ground up and that means relearning all of my fundamentals and making sure I have them right this time.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds, CO raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

neurotiq · #2 10-12-2007, 04:37 PM

I'd fold it preflop. Everything else looks good to me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ulkis · #3 10-12-2007, 04:39 PM

If you fold this one-gapper PF it will be much easier to play, I would let it go on the flop at the latest as played.

bellatrix · #4 10-12-2007, 05:49 PM

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What?!?! You would let go of top pair with a good gutshot and a BDFD? 'Scuse me, but I raise.

OziBattler · #5 10-12-2007, 06:11 PM

boz is right as usual so just read his post except I dont hate just folding preflop if we have any reads that its not going to be a multiway limped pot. fold preflop keeps you out of tough spots but playing it gives you experience tough spots whilst the price of poker is cheap (assuming you are adequately rolled for this limit..)

marchron · #6 10-13-2007, 05:31 AM

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If you fold this one-gapper PF it will be much easier to play

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Brilliant. Zen-like. Damn near Yoda-esque in its wisdom if not its sentence structure.

Bulletproof Monk · #7 10-13-2007, 07:44 AM

fold preflop.

not remotely close.

ichthyologist · #8 10-18-2007, 05:16 PM

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If you fold this one-gapper PF it will be much easier to play

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Brilliant. Zen-like. Damn near Yoda-esque in its wisdom if not its sentence structure.

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Fold this suited one-gapper you should; much easier to play it will be.

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Xylocain · #9 10-12-2007, 04:41 PM

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Pre flop is pretty meh, if the table is remotly agressive you will often see a raise behind you with so much dead money in already.

raise flop.

You have TPWK and outs if behind. You want trash that could draw out to fold and you have a relatively strong hand.

You can probably call turn but realize that spiking a T probably doesnt get you very far. I dont think the A changes much on the river but I cant really see a call.

arch_angel · #10 10-12-2007, 06:43 PM

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:g:
Pre flop is pretty meh, if the table is remotly agressive you will often see a raise behind you with so much dead money in already.

raise flop.

You have TPWK and outs if behind. You want trash that could draw out to fold and you have a relatively strong hand.

You can probably call turn but realize that spiking a T probably doesnt get you very far. I dont think the A changes much on the river but I cant really see a call.

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Okay for some reason I can't remember how to edit and I'm being stupid so I don't want to figure it out.

Anyway I was about 20-30 hands in and the whole table is very passive with the exception of myself and two other players (both of whom have already folded). Given this read does everyone who says fold still think it's a fold pf? I was prob 90%+ to be 4 handed or more with no raise. I actually thought that with 5 players left to act it might get 6 handed all limped, that's how passive the table was.