Bad river call or just bad river?

MrDurden19 · #1 10-12-2007, 02:45 PM

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $24.65
SB: $20.30
BB: $58
UTG: $25.30
Hero (CO): $25.35

Pre-Flop:T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG calls $1.50

River: ($5.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $22.80 and is All-In, Hero calls $19.80

MrDurden19 · #2 10-12-2007, 03:08 PM

Anyone?

Nemesis69 · #3 10-12-2007, 03:10 PM

I think it's a bad call. Villian filled up obv.

DGDolly · #4 10-12-2007, 03:10 PM

Runner runner FH? Yea it happens, but with the strange bets this guy has been putting out I don't see how I could fold here. If he has you beat, more power to him, you will get your money back eventually.

Call me a station, but I am NOT folding in this spot. Never.

MrDurden19 · #5 10-12-2007, 03:12 PM

What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

DGDolly · #6 10-12-2007, 03:19 PM

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What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

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I see his river bet the same way. It looks like he is trying to scare you with a big bet. "My min bets didn't get him to fold, maybe if I move in I can win this pot!"

I would also raise more on the turn with the 2 diamonds there, probably 3$.

nutstoyou · #7 10-12-2007, 03:29 PM

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What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

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At this level I've found that a lot of players will shove on the river with a monster. They hope it looks like a bluff.

Also, to them I think it's like playing the lottery - they would rather win a big pot than a small value bet. That's why I hate to call a bet like this even though I sometimes do.

PS - they will also check raise the river like this. I saw a player do it last night and stack someone.

MrDurden19 · #8 10-12-2007, 03:32 PM

He ended up turning over Q9s. I dont like his play pf or on any street after that, like i said i dont think hes good enough to put me on a straight so his river shove is bad also since a straight is the only hand i would call with that he beats.

greggg230 · #9 10-12-2007, 03:33 PM

He almost certainly has a full house. I'd just fold.

Aceium · #10 10-12-2007, 03:36 PM

I think the call on the flop is ok if you think you can get more out of him if you hit your gutshot. When you hit on the turn, I think you should be raising more, say to $2.50 or $3. I don't think you're betting enough when you hit your hand. If his hand was as strong as two pair he's probably going to call a larger bet. It looks like he did fill up on the river - I don't think he would just shove his stack in the middle on a naked queen.