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Old 10-12-2007, 09:23 AM
KCrow KCrow is offline
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Default Two pair with the worst turn card

Villain is 30/11/3

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1.0 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $42.40
CO: $98.50
Hero (BTN): $100
SB: $114.20
BB: $192
UTG: $142

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, SB folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10</font>, BB calls $10, CO folds

Turn: ($32.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $26</font>, Hero?
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:29 AM
SnglMaltScotch SnglMaltScotch is offline
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

I call, you have a ton of outs on the river.

Fold/Raise river depending.

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Old 10-12-2007, 09:58 AM
Nemesis69 Nemesis69 is offline
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

Why is that a bad turncard? You are drawing to a royal flush.

Do you think this guy always has two pair or a set here? Do you think this guy can laydown TP or a set on this board?

You have 13 clean outs to your straight/flush. You also have 4 outs to fill up.

We might have enough FE right here, so I think I MIGHT shove here.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

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We might have enough FE right here, so I think I MIGHT shove here.

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Only hand we maybe have fe against that has us beat is AJ but that is unlikely. Every other hand either isn't folding or we already beat. I would just call and then evaluate river.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

Shoving is retardedededed.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:13 AM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

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Shoving is retardedededed.

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Old 10-12-2007, 10:14 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

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We might have enough FE right here, so I think I MIGHT shove here.

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You're trying to get the nuts to fold? Or a worse hand?
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

Shove is spew. Call with them damn outs
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:46 AM
Frank Catalani Frank Catalani is offline
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

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I think that shoving here is pretty bad. BB has a Q here just about always and you are a 70/30 dog to any Q. I don't think that FE makes up this gap. If you call and a heart comes, he is still calling because he is going to think that he is splitting.

Plus you don't get a chance to draw to a royal very often &lt;Joking&gt;

SMS

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Why do you put BB on a Q here almost always? I really want to know what range you'd put him on that would make villain want to call with Q-x? Is it not realistic he called with A-x and is trying to take the pot away on the turn?

The only Q-x hand I could possibly see here is QJ. The price preflop obviously allowed him to call and in turn he flopped the nuts. But with the CO raise and the call from the button you'd have to put one of them on an Ace, which is the case here.

I just call here, I like the position and the hand. I can't see what river card would make me fold. Plus if villain indeed has the Q, there's the chance to fill up or make a flush.

Then again, I've been known to make a bad read or 2.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:02 AM
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Default Re: Two pair with the worst turn card

worst?

I shovvvveee
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