NL$100| Hero = Fold Machine (line check)(4 hands)

Acevader · #1 10-10-2007, 12:45 PM

I seem to have spent the afternoon folding every half-decent hand I get so I'd appreciate you guys casting your eyes over them to see if I was being too weak, etc.

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HAND #1
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Villain is 32/15/5 - no specific reads. I put him on Jx so made a low value bet to try and induce a call. I really didn't expect to be raised TBH so it threw me. I just didn't think he was bluffing here enough?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $117.65
BTN: $154.25
SB: $98.90
BB: $110.65
Hero (UTG): $100

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

River: ($48.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $16, CO raises to $94.15 and is All-In, Hero folds

Results: $80.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $77.50 (+$38 NET)

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HAND #2
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Villain is 37/7/2 and this is about as Buluga as it gets!

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MP: $94.50
CO: $169.50
BTN: $65
SB: $161.15
BB: $126.55
Hero (UTG): $217.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

Turn: ($21.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB raises to $55, Hero folds

Results: $57.50 Pot ($2.85 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $54.65 (+$26.15 NET)

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HAND #3
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Villain is 41/11/5 and we are playing 200bb stacks here. I've no read on what his flop donks mean.

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SB: $19
BB: $238.70
UTG: $104.65
MP: $99.50
CO: $139.25
Hero (BTN): $221.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls $4, CO folds

Flop: ($11.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $40, Hero folds

Results: $51.50 Pot ($2.55 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $48.95 (+$23.95 NET)

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HAND #4
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Villain is 53/13/lots but I have no specific useful reads on him. In this hand I bet the flop for value but check the flop to induce bluffs on the river or to induce him to bet weaker queens (which I expect him to do). However, the considerable river overbet scuppered my plan. Was I weak to go back on the plan or should I consider that this overbet is probably a better hand trying to make up for lost value?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (MP): $100
CO: $117.55
BTN: $384.70
SB: $116.80
BB: $145.20
UTG: $100

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8

Turn: ($26.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($26.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $35

Results: $26.50 Pot ($1.30 Rake)
UTG mucked and WON $25.20 (+$12.70 NET)

AE6 · #2 10-10-2007, 01:01 PM

1) bet more like 1/2 pot on the river
2) standard
3) ugh so sick. i guess your play is fine though.
4) bet the turn. as played fold is fine

Acevader · #3 10-10-2007, 01:06 PM

"bet more like 1/2 pot on the river" - would villain really look that up with Jx here? I figured I had to bet an amount he really couldn't turn down to keep me honest.

"4) bet the turn. as played fold is fine" - I usually would but I'm sure this guy bets 2/3rd-full pot on any river with ATC but with his aggressive post-flop play I fear potentially being raised off turn by draw, bluff or weaker hand. Of course, it seems silly to induce a bluff and then fold when villain actually makes the bet but it's the bet amount that total changed it for me!

Thanks for your input - appreciated.

AE6 · #4 10-10-2007, 01:09 PM

with regards to hand 1, i'm worried about your bet size showing weakness, inciting him to bluff shove. that's why i feel something like $26 would be better.

Suwalski · #5 10-10-2007, 01:21 PM

Hand 1 bet 30 on river. Fold to a push.

Hand 2 is really tuff since his stats indicate that he's a donk. But i guess you don't lose much on a fold.

Hand 3 I might be resultoriented, but i think a call on flop is good since we're so deep.

Hand 4. I think a check a turn would induce a bluff i also think he would bet weaker Qs, i call his riverbet. Prefer b/f on turn though.

franklloydwright · #6 10-10-2007, 01:34 PM

I haven't looked too deeply into the other hands, but hand 3 seems like a big problem.

Obviously there are a number of hands that we're scared of, but if the BB flopped big, why would he lead into the raiser? If he flopped 2 pair, or a set, why wouldn't he c/r or c/c and lead on the turn? I think at best he shows up with a combo draw like 9Tss or QTss, and is willing to get it in on the flop. In a situation like this, I think you should have called, and if he checks a non spade, 9, or A turn, you should feel pretty good about your hand.

RAHZero · #7 10-10-2007, 05:08 PM

I hate your river bet in hand 1. I would much prefer a check-call to a bet-fold (given your bet size). Villain has an AF of 5, and in position with PF stats of 32/15 he could easily have diamonds that he floated the flop with, 64, or a weak J that he decided to turn into a bluff on the river. If your going to value bet the river, I'd make it $30ish.

Hand 2 is WTFish. I tend to say [censored] Baluga and stack off in spots like this against idiots, but without a specific read I'd fold and keep an eye on villain.

I'd definitely call the small flop 3-bet and re-eval the turn in hand 3. You're getting good odds, could very well have the best hand, and have the BDNFD.

I like the way you played hand 4 if you called the river. These guys fire on the river with 100% of their range when you check the turn here, and their range is pretty well beat by TP2K on this board.

Acevader · #8 10-10-2007, 05:25 PM

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If your going to value bet the river, I'd make it $30ish.

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What can call that bet though? Remember there is no point in value betting if no realistic hand can call the bet amount you make. I really can't see how he can look that up with Jx there so we basically rely on him having caught a queen on the turn with us. To clarify bet-fold was not planned; I really didn't expect to be in that situation.

"These guys fire on the river with 100% of their range when you check the turn here"

Totally agree, I was standing by over the call button with the fistpump primed but the bet amount really took me off my game. I could hear Sklansky (in my head) saying that one of the most stupid things you can do in poker is invite a bluff and then bottle it when the bet comes in but his bet was way bigger than a bluff needs to be. It screamed of him making up for missed value.