Hand from deep in 6 max wcoop

ZJ123 · #1 10-10-2007, 05:22 AM

hand was played by my friend zugwat, lets do this hand in stages, starting with preflop

reads
OR raiser: Aggro but smart
Reraiser: Typical TAg, but seemed competent.
Hero: Pretty Lag, has shown down some weak hands, but nothing big.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t12000 (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO (t646507)
Button (t1519258)
SB (t388982)
Hero (t799909)
UTG (t752471)
MP (t961038)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t33000, MP raises to t90000, 3 folds, Hero ??

registrar · #2 10-10-2007, 05:32 AM

I think we're supposed to call here. I don't particularly like it though, seeing a flop OOP three-way.

tinze · #3 10-10-2007, 06:31 AM

General consensus that you see in cash game discussions is to call in this spot. However, in cash games stacks are usually bit deeper, so there is more room to manouver postflop. In addition, by cold calling here any semi-competent villain can narrow our range very much. It can be very difficult to get any action postflop from hands that we beat.

With these stack sizes shoving could be a real possibility. If you are calling preflop, are you willing to put all your money in on a T74 rainbow flop?

Btw. Would you set mine 88 or 99 here?

Superfluous Man · #4 10-10-2007, 07:01 AM

The general consensus in cash game play is to play a 3-way reraised pot OOP when both villains can put you on exactly one of like, 4 hands? Really? I don't like that.

Set mining here with 88 or 99 and like 75 BBs is pretty bad, too, for a couple reasons. First, you're not closing the action. Hard to mine a set when UTG reraises and you're forced to fold! Also, you're simply not deep enough. You have to stack at least one of them pretty much every time you hit a set, and you can't really expect that to happen.

I would lean towards wagering all my chips here; I wouldn't expect JJ-TT to fold here, and I don't particularly expect AK to fold either.

0evg0 · #5 10-10-2007, 07:06 AM

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The general consensus in cash game play is to play a 3-way reraised pot OOP when both villains can put you on exactly one of like, 4 hands? Really? I don't like that.

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peep dis

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0evg0 · #6 10-10-2007, 07:07 AM

btw, 65xbb deep with QQ 6-handed?

kit-kat, gimme a break, i'm arr in like flynn

tinze · #7 10-10-2007, 07:55 AM

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The general consensus in cash game play is to play a 3-way reraised pot OOP when both villains can put you on exactly one of like, 4 hands? Really? I don't like that.

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No one does. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Unfortunately this is one of those spots where you only have bad and really bad options.

LuckyLloyd · #8 10-10-2007, 08:51 AM

If we could work out and be confident that shoving was plus cEV after assessing their raising and calling ranges then that is what I would like to do. If we call here I think we make big mistakes post - flop a lot given our position and stacksizes. And like, I don't want to fold.

Todd Terry · #9 10-10-2007, 10:56 AM

This is a ridiculously tough spot. I've decided to call, because I think raising or jamming are super -cEV. If we raise or jam, we definitely fold out smaller pairs, and even though it's 6-handed, I think we're probably folding out AK as well. I guess I'll fold pre if the original raiser comes over the top, although AK is definitely in his range for doing that if we call.

Post flop has too many variables and players to come up with a plan yet, I'll come up with one after the flop. I think the fact that if we see a flop it will be 3-way will make the hand easier to play.

brad2002tj · #10 10-10-2007, 12:53 PM

Awwwwl in.