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Old 10-09-2007, 08:16 AM
euroglot euroglot is offline
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Default 2-4......99 on the button

Villain is just TAG.

2-4 full ring..

Preflop:
2 folds, Villain raises, 1 fold, 2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls on the button with 99, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB checks, Villain bets, 2 calls, Hero?
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: 2-4......99 on the button

what color are you nines? 3bet pf. it changes everything postflop.

i would call and raise the field on the turn if it's not a club or overcard(except another ten).
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: 2-4......99 on the button

Why on earth would you want to bloat the pot by three betting preflop when you know you will be up against at least three other players and one of which is a TAG and the preflop raiser?

There is a time to three bet with 99. Move the preflop raiser to late position, have just one caller in between and know everybody else is going to fold. This is more like it.

I would love to here your rationale for making this play.

As played, I would just call and reevaluate the turn.
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Old 10-09-2007, 05:02 PM
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Why on earth would you want to bloat the pot by three betting preflop when you know you will be up against at least three other players and one of which is a TAG and the preflop raiser?

There is a time to three bet with 99. Move the preflop raiser to late position, have just one caller in between and know everybody else is going to fold. This is more like it.

I would love to here your rationale for making this play.

As played, I would just call and reevaluate the turn.

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Equity advantage.
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Old 10-09-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: 2-4......99 on the button

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I would love to here your rationale for making this play.

As played, I would just call and reevaluate the turn.

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Also takes you out of the passive position, makes a c-bet with overcards much less likely from the PFR. Being in the driver seat with this hand is worth it.
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Old 10-10-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: 2-4......99 on the button

It is an EP TAG raiser not some loose idiot. This guy either has a pocket pair bigger than yours or big cards. He may very well cap the betting. You are not holding JJ+ you have 99. At this point play it for set value and keep the blinds in and not isolate yourself against 3 other players which is probably the worst situation for a medium pair.

Stop misapplying the concepts from the books you are reading. Yes you should exploit your preflop advantages. This is not one of them.
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:15 AM
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Preflop is fine.

Big pot so I'm not folding yet on the flop.
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:25 AM
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the two red nines
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: 2-4......99 on the button

call the flop and see what happens on the turn. villain could easily be Cbetting this with nothing, and no one has shown strength.

nonetheless, you are beat by any T, and thus raising the flop isnt particularly wise as you should wait to see the turn action before making any kind of judgements on your hand.

btw Niediam, i dont get why the pot is big has anything to do with cointiuning in this hand. if the pot was 3 handed i still wouldnt fold.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:15 AM
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call the flop and see what happens on the turn. villain could easily be Cbetting this with nothing, and no one has shown strength.

nonetheless, you are beat by any T, and thus raising the flop isnt particularly wise as you should wait to see the turn action before making any kind of judgements on your hand.

btw Niediam, i dont get why the pot is big has anything to do with cointiuning in this hand. if the pot was 3 handed i still wouldnt fold.

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Villian limps, bunch of folds, SB completes, we check 88 in BB. Flop comes T63. SB leads. I fold and I think it's very standard.
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