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20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
Since I vowed to pick up a more efficient session review technique, I was thinking about this spot. Is this a good spot for a 2nd barrel? The board is basically the same as on the flop and he wasn't scared of the K on the flop if he limp called with a PP and I don't know what he could be drawing at given the dryness of the flop. So give it up since he called a bet with one player yet to act on the flop or give it another shot and try using brute force?
I have only a very small sample about villain. He seems to be one of the 35/10/3 direction. Carlos Poker 0.10/0.20, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> Button Button ($23.61) SB ($22.31) BB <font color="#C00000">Hero ($19.90)</font> UTG <font color="#C00000">UTG ($16.35)</font> UTG+1 ($54.59) CO ($19.17) Preflop: Hero is in the BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls 0.20, 2 folds, Button calls 0.20, SB calls 0.10, Hero raises to 1.00, UTG calls 1.00, Button calls 1.00, 1 fold. Flop (3.80) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero bets 2.40, UTG calls 2.40, 1 fold. Turn (8.60) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero ??? |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
If you 2nd barrel this you have put ~50% of your stack in OOP with Ace high.
I couldn't do it. |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
Wow I think atthe table i would 2nd barrel but in a vacuum I dont think this is a good idea.
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
Absent a better read I prolly do not even C-bet the flop OOP into 2 villains...After having the C-bet called on the flop I am shutting down..
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
What flop are you guys going to cbet against 2 villains if not this one? Villains both limp called and there are very few hands that can connect with this flop. I don't cbet a lot against more than one villain, esp. on this limit on this site. But I really think if there is a flop where it has fold equity, because both villain will most likely have a pure nothing, it's this.
Or would you bet on a dry flop like 2-tone and more straighty? What's your reasoning? 2 high cards = more FE vs. smallish PPs? Hit me. |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
this is the best flop you can get to cbet on OOP 3way. I don't two barrel here though. pps maybe make up slightly more of his range than Kx, but I still don't think there's much value here.
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
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What flop are you guys going to cbet against 2 villains if not this one? [/ QUOTE ] One that hit me or with some good outs. [ QUOTE ] Villains both limp called and there are very few hands that can connect with this flop. I don't cbet a lot against more than one villain, esp. on this limit on this site. But I really think if there is a flop where it has fold equity, because both villain will most likely have a pure nothing, it's this. [/ QUOTE ] Main villain plays 35% of his hands, you can maybe narrow this a litttle for calling your PF raise but it will still include any card. If he stayed around for the flop he had a made hand or likely paired the board. No way these people let a pair go. |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
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[ QUOTE ] What flop are you guys going to cbet against 2 villains if not this one? [/ QUOTE ] One that hit me or with some good outs. [ QUOTE ] Villains both limp called and there are very few hands that can connect with this flop. I don't cbet a lot against more than one villain, esp. on this limit on this site. But I really think if there is a flop where it has fold equity, because both villain will most likely have a pure nothing, it's this. [/ QUOTE ] Main villain plays 35% of his hands, you can maybe narrow this a litttle for calling your PF raise but it will still include any card. If he stayed around for the flop he had a made hand or likely paired the board. No way these people let a pair go. [/ QUOTE ] With unpaired starting hands, you only hit one of your cards only about 1/3 of the time. The same goes for villain, obv. So unless he has a PP, he has nothing here the huge majority of the time, ESPECIALLY if he plays a lot of hands. And this board is really unlikely to have hit a lot of hands. And the definition of a continuation bet is that you keep the pressure up when you haven't hit, because from a mathematical standpoint, your villain will have just as little the huge majority of the time and you can take the pot down. If you hit the flop, you are value betting, not c-betting. And if you never cbet and only vbet, then you will be hugely exploitable and giving a lot of pots away for free. Edit: or were you arguing against a 2nd barrel with the 2nd part of your post? I read it as an argument against a cbet on the flop. |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
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What flop are you guys going to cbet against 2 villains if not this one? Villains both limp called and there are very few hands that can connect with this flop. I don't cbet a lot against more than one villain, esp. on this limit on this site. But I really think if there is a flop where it has fold equity, because both villain will most likely have a pure nothing, it's this. Or would you bet on a dry flop like 2-tone and more straighty? What's your reasoning? 2 high cards = more FE vs. smallish PPs? Hit me. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think I C-bet is that "bad" if at all...This is one of the best flops there is to C-bet..However we have limited reads on BOTH villains..Based on the limited reads BOTH villain appear to be loose and somewhat passive...At this level a C-bet with a whiffed hand into multiple villain is a marginal bet at best.. I put emphasis on he button because the button is greatly relevant in the hand..With the button yet to act UTG flop calling range is limited...If UTG calls the flop is is highly likely to be calling down the rest of the way... |
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Re: 20NL: 2nd barrel on this dry board? (probably boring hand)
Since this hand isn't too interesting, I'm going to post the results here: I shut down, it got checked down and he showed QQ. Yes, a 35/10 limp called with QQ UTG. I wondered if a 2nd barrel might have pushed him off of that, but I think just giving it up in these spots is clearly the only thing to do.
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