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Old 10-05-2007, 04:31 PM
jfish jfish is offline
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Default JJ v HAAANH

villain is haaanh on ftp. hes like 22/18, aggro and adapts pretty decently. ive been leading into him a few times and sometimes folding if he raises, sometimes 3betting with him folding. one time i led into him, he raised, i made a small 3bet and he said something to the effect of "i wish i shoved" after he folded. i have also been 3betting him light and isolating him a bunch, he recently 4bet 55 and we got it ai pf vs my AQs. pretty much im trying to keep the pressure at a maximum, but not try to make many mistakes myself. we're friends and we talk but we def play v hard against each other.

after the hand played out the way it did, i began to wonder if there was a better line given history..


Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

nationz (UTG): $360
HAAANH (MP): $2,235.50
WicketyWok (CO): $2,057
Paul Wasicka (BTN): $1,989
DaEvils (SB): $5,364
Hero (BB): $1,987

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
nationz folds, <font color="red">HAAANH raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $50

Flop: ($150) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $120</font>, <font color="red">HAAANH raises to $320</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $820</font>, <font color="red">HAAANH raises to $2,165.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $1,097 and is All-In
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

fwiw, ive been 3betting him a bunch when i was in position. pretty infrequently oop.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

I think once you donk and he raises, you kinda have to 3bet and stack off. So, sure. Just hope he's in there with 99 or something for some reason.

Also I like this better on 55T board.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

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fwiw, ive been 3betting him a bunch when i was in position. pretty infrequently oop.

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Your opponents, even very good ones, aren't 1/4th as aware about this as you are. You have to 3bet preflop here.

Flop is okay.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

i like flop a lot given history
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

I'd like this a lot more ona T55 board
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

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I'd like this a lot more ona T55 board

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no [censored] huh.

id like it even more on a JJ5 flop, unfortunately the flop was TT5.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

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fwiw, ive been 3betting him a bunch when i was in position. pretty infrequently oop.

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Your opponents, even very good ones, aren't 1/4th as aware about this as you are. You have to 3bet preflop here.

Flop is okay.

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really? like 100% of the time? why?

i can think of a couple reasons that argue for calling here, though i do mostly 3bet it.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

i almost never 3-bet pre here to a utg1 open, him opening the CO would make it much diff. when i say almost never i prob mean i 3-bet about 20% of the time.

as played, i don't donk much and it's not a huge part of my game, but in general i would just CR pretty big and bomb almost all turns, almost always stacking 99-66, sometimes getting air to 3-bet you or float you, and giving a FD a chance to stick it in.

if i did donk, i'd flat the raise.

i think his raise/ stack off range is more QQ/Tx+ than it is 99-66 for damn sure
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: JJ v HAAANH

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fwiw, ive been 3betting him a bunch when i was in position. pretty infrequently oop.

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Your opponents, even very good ones, aren't 1/4th as aware about this as you are. You have to 3bet preflop here.

Flop is okay.

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really? like 100% of the time? why?

i can think of a couple reasons that argue for calling here, though i do mostly 3bet it.

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I actually thought he was in the CO, but still, I think a 3bet is best vs. a good LAG.

This isn't a spot where you need to mix up your play with JJ. If you want to call in the name of mixing up your play or strength concealing deception, I think those are bad reasons.

If your opponent is opening very tight, or is only calling/playing back at your 3bets with monsters, that is a good reason to flat call.

Were your reasons different than these?
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