yes, another boring AA hand

[jkamowitz]

So, I'm playing in a very strange 15/30 game.

The game is a strange mix of incredible loose/passives and tight/passives and one losing player (i.e. me.)

An older man who's been playing since the cretaceous opens in mp, a new player who is here for his first time and is on a heater but hasn't 3-bet much and when he has has shown only medium to big pairs, 3-bets.

I cold cap AA

The sb who's a semi-loose passive calls, and the pf raiser folds

3 way.

Flop comes Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
sb checks, check, I bet, sb calls, 3-bettor c-raises. Is anyone doing anything strange here?

[cgrohman]

I call and raise a safe turn.

[KitCloudkicker]

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I call and raise a safe turn.

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whats the plan when the turn completes a draw?

[SNOWBALL]

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whats the plan when the turn completes a draw?


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We should be just as inclined to raise when it completes a draw, just because any cards that complete a draw also open up a redraw for the SB, so it's even more imperative to knock him out.
In big pots, your plan should virtually always be to max your chances of winning, not to save bets.

[KitCloudkicker]

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In big pots, your plan should virtually always be to max your chances of winning, not to save bets.

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qft (see 1600 post)

[Crusher19]

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In big pots, your plan should virtually always be to max your chances of winning, not to save bets.

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i think this nails any over pair in a multiway action pot

[ssmallz]

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I call and raise a safe turn.

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whats the plan when the turn completes a draw?

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Raise, the guy just cold capped, he's not doing it w/a drawing hand. If 3 bet you're sol and can fold

[KitCloudkicker]

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I call and raise a safe turn.

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whats the plan when the turn completes a draw?

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Raise, the guy just cold capped, he's not doing it w/a drawing hand. If 3 bet you're sol and can fold

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ya so its really

call, raise ANY turn.

i agree 100%

[AragornX151]

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ya so its really

call, raise ANY turn.

i agree 100%

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You're raising a K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn?

I've played with these guys, and they play right out of Sklansky & Malmuth (though not as well, obv), except even more conservatively. They limp big hands, and usually play very tightly; you don't see crazy plays. They're not good so much as very different from what posters here are used to seeing, so I don't think typical moves are necessarily right.

For instance, in this game, if OP 3-bets, the opponent will NOT cap with a draw. It won't happen. If he caps, you can probably get away from the hand on 4th street. If he calls and then c/r's the turn or leads a scare card, you can again fold. I know this may seem blasphemous and I wouldn't ever recommend it at Borgata or Commerce, but this is a really different dynamic.

Anyway, I think 3-betting the flop here is better on this drawy board (hope you're against KQ type hands). Raising the turn is just too likely to cause you to lose a bunch o big bets.

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Call, and raise the turn to KO the SB's possible gutshot or 2 pair draw.