QQ vs TAG

Kimpan · #1 10-04-2007, 09:30 AM

How is this line?
haven't been at the table for that long but am running at around 20/18.

PartyPoker $200 NL Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
CO ($303.15) (24/17/1.90/26) (1284h)
BU ($408.85)
BB ($312.22)
SB ($206.20)
MP ($217.05)
Hero ($217.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $8, 1 folds, CO calls $8, 3 folds.

Flop: ($19) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($47) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $33, Hero calls $33.

River: ($113) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $113.

Daddy Warbucks · #2 10-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Why do you raise pre then check call so many flops? This is baffling to me!

Spinners · #3 10-04-2007, 09:39 AM

I would have bet $14 on the flop.

It is always better to be the aggressor.

FGators · #4 10-04-2007, 09:44 AM

At least bet like $65 on the river.

Check/calling leading turn is decent here though I think I just start firing away.

Kimpan · #5 10-04-2007, 09:48 AM

Hmm I have somehow gotten into my head that I shouldn't cbet these kind of flops.

Spinners · #6 10-04-2007, 09:49 AM

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Why these types of flops are the most powerful to c-bet. You have a ton of FE, secondly your protecting and getting value from your hand.

Noam Chomsky · #7 10-04-2007, 10:10 AM

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a c-bet is a type of bluff. you're not betting as a bluff, you're betting for value.

The thing about c-betting these types of flops is that people love to bluff raise them. Since you're not folding to a raise (I hope?), you really want to be betting this flop a large percentage of the time both for protection and for value against random floats, smaller pps and draws.

djj6835 · #8 10-04-2007, 10:12 AM

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But you have queens. This is just a straight value bet not a c-bet with 8 high. Some people wont even fold q high on flops like this and will also bluffraise a lot on these types of flops.

Michaelson · #9 10-04-2007, 09:38 AM

I don't like your line (are you calling a river bet, btw?), but this spot is pretty gross. I just c-bet and check the turn/bet river if it's checked through. Either way, though, when you're out of position like this with a big pair on a paired board with a flush draw, villain can play most hands pretty much perfectly against you.