$6.5 bubble shove 400/800

[malnek]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t2682)
BB (t5469)
Hero (t2645)
Button (t2704)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], 6[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]].
[color=Red]Hero raises to t2595</font>

button and sb are unknown knuckleheads....theyll probably call too tight.
bb is a pretty bad reg who shoves too much in very marginal spots

take this marginal ev spot now?

or

gain ev by folding and letting knuckleheads fight bearing in mind even if i do fold and get hit with bb in the next hand ill still have FE against the two other mediumish stacks

i havent done anything out of line and have generally been playing pretty tight

[Niggel]

I would most likely push...

[ceavou22]

Isnt this a very -$EV shove? If we were shorter and stacks weren't so even with the other two it might be just marginal but I think this is definetley a fold.

Plus as you say there is equity gained from giving the donks time to let themselves bust.

[Scotty_12]

In a vacuum, its an -ev shove, but once the blinds chunk out half of our stack we are in a craptacular spot. I am shoving very wide here but probably not J6o wide, especially because there are 3 others just as short as us

[malnek]

hmm thanks for replies......A2+ K5+ Q9+ JT+ 22+ does that look about right here?

[Jauron]

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In a vacuum, its an -ev shove, but once the blinds chunk out half of our stack we are in a craptacular spot. I am shoving very wide here but probably not J6o wide, especially because there are 3 others just as short as us

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I agree with that, I don't see many hands laying down here so we'd have to hope they all have trash.

[HajiShirazu]

I like hands like these.
Anyway with "simulate future hands" on in sngwiz, this is a 100% shove against basically any reasonable set of ranges unless but/sb call with A2 or something.

[AMT]

id fold j6o here, but you need to make sure you keep in mind the outside considerations beyond the immediate EV of the shove like the blinds hitting you and implications of FE and stack sizes, so its good that youre shoving wide here you have the right idea. j6o is a bit too wide UTG imo, it has to be very close and if all of them are even remotely tight i shove all day.

[malnek]

hm mixed answers i still cant decide myself. tho im kinda leaning towards shove bc i really dont think bb will adjust correctly to my range coupled with the fact that stack arrangement will still be favorable for him even with a fold. one things for certain tho this must be pretty horrid for my meta game lol (not that anyone cares or even pays attention at 6.5s)

[BradleyT]

You said BB is a reg, albeit a bad one. There's 4,000 in the pot and it's 1800 for him to call so I think he's calling really wide.