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10-03-2007, 11:54 AM
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Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
Bush vetoed a "children's health bill" today. this bill utilizes the classic political trick of naming a bill in some innocuous way that sounds wonderful for all, like the "clean air and water" act which provided access to timber for logging companies.
It's got the word "Child" in it so opposing it means you are evil. In a nutshell, this bill is designed to expand government coverage to families that can already afford it. Some families earning as high as 80k would have qualified. Bush rightly denigrated this bill as a big step toward socialized govt-provided health care and vetoed it. but of course, it really just means that he hates children and wants them to suffer and die from untreated diseases. As expected "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., decried Bush's action as a 'heartless veto.'" The bill rides on another typical political trick which is to make the continuation of one policy dependent upon a bill which expands it. My hats off to the democrats for creating this incredible opportunity for grandstanding, blowharding, and shamelessly pandering. Very nicely done. natedogg 
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10-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
I'm still waiting for the "Cute ethnically diverse children and small fluffy animals act" Which will probably be proposing a mass genocide of some kind.
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10-11-2007, 05:38 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
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I'm still waiting for the "Cute ethnically diverse children and small fluffy animals act" Which will probably be proposing a mass genocide of some kind. [/ QUOTE ] We want to commit this genocide for the children? How can you oppose it?
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10-03-2007, 12:04 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override.
As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it.
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#5
10-04-2007, 06:49 AM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
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The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override. As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it. [/ QUOTE ] If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you.
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10-05-2007, 10:34 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
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[ QUOTE ] The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override. As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it. [/ QUOTE ] If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you. [/ QUOTE ] From Non-Partisan Factcheck.org: http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false...insurance.html
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10-05-2007, 10:59 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override. As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it. [/ QUOTE ] If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you. [/ QUOTE ] From Non-Partisan Factcheck.org: http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false...insurance.html [/ QUOTE ] How wonderfully irrelevant.
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10-04-2007, 11:52 AM
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As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it. [/ QUOTE ] not caring who pays for it or who runs it? Iron, have you ever set foot in a VA hospital?
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10-04-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
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The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override. As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it. [/ QUOTE ] Why is accessible health care tied to health insurance? The main beneficiary seems to be health insurance companies, not children. The government should guarantee fair pricing of services to all citizens. Health insurance is a protection racket in the US. Many healthy Americans don't want or need health insurance.
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#10
10-04-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: Bush\'s 4th veto of his presidency is a good one
Well you (healthy American) may think you don't need it until the next drunk runs a red and it's game over for you. Just because you're currently healthy doesn't make a bit of difference five minutes in the future.
That said, I agree it is a protection racket and frankly if I'm going to be forced into paying for insurance (i.e. car insurance), I don't think companies should be making money off of me. Sure there may be some efficiencies if GEICO is competing against Allstate and State Farm but how much "competition" is really going on? Does anyone think it's anything unlike three people trying to divide up a swimming pool full of cash? And it's not like the insurance companies are being forced to cover us in return. They can drop us whenever they want.
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