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25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving?
Hands like these really get me. I want to learn how to be better playing hands like these:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($46.75) (23/17 - 34 hands) SB ($14.05) BB ($23.35) (25/21 - 25 hands) Hero ($24.90) MP ($38.90) CO ($36.15) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.75</font>, Hero calls $2.75, Button calls $2.75. <font color="blue"> Hmm... re-raising out of BB means you're on AA-QQ, AKs. As for the button calling my pre-flop raise, then a re-raise, you've got to be on some sort of drawing hand or semi-weak pocket pair: AQs, KQs-JTs, TT, 99 (what do you put this guy's range on?) </font> Flop: ($11.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $8.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21.15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $43</font>, BB calls $11.35 (All-In). Is this an easy laydown? I think I was just blinded by 'omg, I just hit a set' mentality. |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
Please don't post results.
If you didn't include the results: push here every time. But you did, so fold... |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
I've removed results... why is it that people don't want to see results?
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
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I've removed results... why is it that people don't want to see results? [/ QUOTE ] Because it is an easy laydown if you know you are against a higher set. If you don't know villain's hand, it is a very easy push. Results influence the responses. Read this for further explanation. |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
fold pf. set mining with JJ = usually a bad idea. if you're going to play it, repop pf. you read him for AA-QQ or AK, all of which dominate you or you are flipping against, so you fold or repop, nothing else. think of it this way; if you have 33 here, what do you do? fold? why, because you're probably dominated and are set mining? same concept.
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
*grunch*
I'd probably smooth call flop hoping to pair rather then raising. As played call. |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
Thanks Maunzekater for explanations -- it makes sense.
[ QUOTE ] fold pf. set mining with JJ = usually a bad idea. if you're going to play it, repop pf. you read him for AA-QQ or AK, all of which dominate you or you are flipping against, so you fold or repop, nothing else. think of it this way; if you have 33 here, what do you do? fold? why, because you're probably dominated and are set mining? same concept. [/ QUOTE ] Heh, I think this piece of advice just boosted my game to the next level... Just to clarify: aren't there implied odds that someone will pay you off if the board comes Jxx and your opponent has an overpair (you're holding JJ in this example)? Or are you saying that if you're 90% sure you've put someone on a bigger hand than you, then fold (ie: AA-QQ vs JJ). Am I misusing the concept of 'implied odds' here? In 6max, shouldn't you be more prone to set mining anyways? Especially if people are more agro than full ring? |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
Agreement. Push.
Set-over-set is unlikely. More likely you're up against two pair (like the button had), AK, or a big draw. You're a favorite against all of these. |
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
Even if you were in position and had the button push in front of you, you still probably have good enough pot odds to call that.
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Re: 25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving
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Is this an easy laydown? I think I was just blinded by 'omg, I just hit a set' mentality. [/ QUOTE ] No, it's an easy shove. Just because you got coolered once doesn't mean your play was bad. It was fine. |
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