A6o facing river overbet

FionnMac · #1 09-30-2007, 11:49 PM

I was taking a shot at 5/10 so villain likely knows nothing about me, i couldn't tell if he was a good or bad shortie but he was 20/7/6 over 70 hands fwiw. Time for a hero call?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($0)
SB ($400.50)
BB ($601.48)
Hero ($2371.59)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $30, SB calls $25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($70) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $55, Hero calls $55.

River: ($180) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB shoves $315.50 (All-In), Hero?

I just found a similar hand i'd like people's thoughts on too, villain is unknown but seems fairly active over the 20 odd hands i've been at the table -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($760.80)
SB ($539.10)
BB ($400)
UTG ($196)
Hero ($419)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($34) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($78) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $44, Hero calls $44.

River: ($166) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $212, Hero?

ArturiusX · #2 10-01-2007, 12:15 AM

Hand 1, I call, I see bone head plays like this all the time.

Hand 2 is tougher, but I think its still a call, he's 'vbing' lower aces as much as anything else, and there's also retarded bluffs mixed in. I think a call is fine in both.

berserk · #3 10-01-2007, 12:22 AM

Ehh i fold both

KeanuReaver · #4 10-01-2007, 12:32 AM

hand 1: flip a coin, if its heads call, if it's tails fold.
hand 2: raise flop to make this hand 852305720937x easier. as played, ask yourself "dang why didn't i listen to keanu's advice" then suicide. or just fold.

DevinLake · #5 10-01-2007, 07:18 PM

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hand 2: raise flop to make this hand 852305720937x easier. as played, ask yourself "dang why didn't i listen to keanu's advice" then suicide. or just fold.

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"Raise to see where you're at..." Just like welcome back cotter advises in every hand played on High Stakes Poker.

I'd possibly raise this flop if I had air, but I'm not turning my hand into a bluff here. I'd call this flop and actually probably fold the turn.

It's opponent specific though, and I would like to know his preflop raise frequency.

KeanuReaver · #6 10-01-2007, 07:26 PM

i'll raise him with air too
i'll also raise him with a monster
if i had mid pair and a backdoor flush draw im raising
top pair i'll raise occasionally

against an unknown in this spot i prefer controlling the pot

dtan05 · #7 10-01-2007, 01:01 AM

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Ehh i fold both

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ChrisV · #8 10-01-2007, 01:17 AM

I fold both. Hand 1 is closest by far. Hand 2 is snap fold.

jono · #9 10-01-2007, 01:43 AM

1. fold

2. really close, close your eyes and call

David1234 · #10 10-01-2007, 12:56 AM

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Hand 1, I call, I see bone head plays like this all the time.

Hand 2 is tougher, but I think its still a call, he's 'vbing' lower aces as much as anything else, and there's also retarded bluffs mixed in. I think a call is fine in both.

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his line is pretty strong, you really call this w/o reads?