JJ

[Riku]

MP3 loose passive.
CO unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Hero bets here ?

River: (8.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero...

He could have a 7 or some other pp.

[Bulletproof Monk]

why did you bet the turn but not the river?

he pretty much never has a 4 here.... and you probly are now getting looked up by A hi and have stopped flushes from making you pay, in fact a flush may even fold (tho unlikely)

btw as played you absolutely have to call. not even close.

[Riku]

"why did you bet the turn but not the river?"

Because i was annoyed and mubsy. In retrospect, a worse hand might not bet here, such as 7 or other pp, but they might call if i bet. If some one indeed slowplayed a monster or just made one, he's probably gonna raise and i can fold.

[Landonfan]

b/f that river.

[KitCloudkicker]

turn is an easy b/f. river may be a b/f or a b/c, depending on who you're playing.

[Bulletproof Monk]

if that was to me, i wasnt suggesting that riku not bet the turn, i was merely pointing out the incongruency of actions

[Sushiglutton]

What if I told you there was a perfect tool with which you could make a great analysis of this river spot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]? Anyway tool or no tool I would just b/f if reads are good.

[Fantam]

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What if I told you there was a perfect tool with which you could make a great analysis of this river spot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]?

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Ha,ha I keep trying to avoid your posts about a river calculator. But they keep reapearing like moles in a garden ! LOL [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Smurph64]

yeah Aaron told me that earlier I believe too but in 3 ways going over my track record its not paying off. Some commercial proof would be nice.

Mathematically it may be sound but with 2 draws in this position I have been behind the mark so many times I can't think its a good call. This is probably an example of results conditioning.

Of course it depends on read. I don't assume the worst here but the flush board definitely makes me very hesitant to call when sandwiched.

This isn't a sandwich position but if I bet out on the turn and just get checked down I have to bet/fold the river.If I get raised then again it depends on whether I have a read on the player if I call it or fold it.

I think in this case or in absence of read I check/call the turn and check/call the river.

One of the things I notice is people giving up lines on the river all the time. When I don't want to fold I give up value and call but I make the decision on the turn not after it.

Not sure if that makes a big difference either good or bad.

Some times I give up value some times I save bets.

This is a tough one.

[Montrealcorp]

if is passif,he wouldnt bet a hand weaker then JJ on this board right?

he would only raise if u bet the river with a great hand since is passif but would call lot of hands as well if u bet.so i dont think by betting u gain much information here,u only bet for value if u bet vs those guys?