Online muck rules

[DorianGray]

I don't understand the rules for mucking online. Sometimes after the river, so I mean the final betting round, I will bet. Then the villain will call, but immediately muck their losing hand. That is I win, but I do not get to see their cards. This does not seem fair to me. Since I not only am paying to win the hand, I am also paying for the information of seeing the opponents cards. I just seems to me that you should not be able to call and then muck on the last round.
Is that the way it works everywhere even brick and mortar? I am curious what the rules say. Thanks

[kayaker]

If villain calls, he gets to see your hand first. Once you flip your hand up, he's beat and has auto-muck turned on. If you called his bet, you would see his cards first. If you have auto-muck turned OFF, you can then choose to muck your cards or show them.

You should still be able to see what he had if you look at the hand history. (Availability of HHs varies by site.)

[SellingtheDrama]

Actually you didn't pay to see his hand - he paid to see yours.

Standard B&M rule is that if you call and lose, you do not have to show your hand. A player can request to see a losing hand, but that rule is strictly intended to prevent cheating. It is considered extremely bad etiquette to ask to see a hand for any other reason.

[metsandfinsfan]

check the hand histories

[gedanken]

There's an alternate method, used by pokerstars at least: the showing proceeds to the left of the button in the same order as betting. SB shows first if he's still in, then BB, then UTG...

All hands shown down, whether mucked or not, show up in the hand history, anyway, and PAhud can access them and show them right on the table.

what I want to know is, if there's three of us on the river, I'm first to act and open-fold, and the other players check, does my hand show in the history? At a B&M, would another player have the right to ask to see it?

[22233]

Pokerstars: Has the mucked hand at showdown always been available here? I'm sure I couldn't see those hands before in the HH but today I noticed them for the first time?

[Rek]

Yeah hand histories,

At PokerStars, after the hand has been played, in the top left you can see the "previous game number". Just click on it and it will show.

FTP have a sweet little last hand button. When you click on it, it shows the last table at showdown and all previous hands. Great feature and I wish Stars would add someting like that.

Other sites have their own ways as well.

[PantsOnFire]

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what I want to know is, if there's three of us on the river, I'm first to act and open-fold, and the other players check, does my hand show in the history? At a B&M, would another player have the right to ask to see it?

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Yes the hand is in the hand history and yes you can invoke the IWTSTH rule to see it.

This is true for any hand "that is eligible for showdown".

A good example live is when one guy makes a big bet on the river and is called. He was bluffing and goes "damn, nice call, you got me" and open mucks first. His hand is eligble to be seen (regarless of how unsportsmanlike that is).

[Rek]

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what I want to know is, if there's three of us on the river, I'm first to act and open-fold, and the other players check, does my hand show in the history? At a B&M, would another player have the right to ask to see it?

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Yes the hand is in the hand history and yes you can invoke the IWTSTH rule to see it.

This is true for any hand "that is eligible for showdown".

A good example live is when one guy makes a big bet on the river and is called. He was bluffing and goes "damn, nice call, you got me" and open mucks first. His hand is eligble to be seen (regarless of how unsportsmanlike that is).

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Are you sure Pants?

The guy is saying he has folded prior to actual showdown. The fact there was a check and call after him does not mean he is at showdown. I think his muck stays mucked.