2nd Nut Flush draw against a maniac

[Gib]

I have played a fair few hands against this maniac
he has some sort of method to his madness though but he loves pumping any draw any top pair & bluffs alot.
I have seen him raise & capped in EP with A8o, 76s, 22, 33. He tends to raise with marginal hands but limps with anything good ie AK, JJ. He has occasionally folded PF but generally plays most hands.

Paradise Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MANIAC calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MANIAC 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

does anyone cap against a maniac? This is the first time I've seen him limp-raise, my first thought is TT-AA or suited broadway.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MANIAC raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MANIAC caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MANIAC checks.

River: (8.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MANIAC raises</font>, Hero ?

Okay given the fact he checked the turn, can we assume his on a flush draw as well, but given the fact he limp-raised could we be against Axs? Anyone like 3betting for value here?

Any help would be appreciated

Cheers,
Gib

[kerowo]

I think you need to trust your reads and 3-bet him on the river for value. If you are up against the ace high flush that's the way it goes. He's as likely to have JT as Axd.

[DQuinlan]

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Preflop: cap it. KQ is +EV hand, the fact that you are up against a maniac does not change that.

Flop: Not certain about the 3-bet. Were you going for a free card? I call the raise.

Turn: fine.

River: Call, and hope he doesn't have Ad.

[Gib]

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Flop: Not certain about the 3-bet. Were you going for a free card? I call the raise.

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Very tough to get a free card from a maniac, &amp; OOP (even though I got one!!) Basically I'm 3betting for implied odds (flush draw, two overs &amp; BDSD)

[Eeegah]

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Flop: Not certain about the 3-bet. Were you going for a free card? I call the raise.

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Very tough to get a free card from a maniac, &amp; OOP (even though I got one!!) Basically I'm 3betting for implied odds (flush draw, two overs &amp; BDSD)

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You can't value bet based on implied odds, if that's what you're implying, oddly enough.

[Gib]

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You can't value bet based on implied odds, if that's what you're implying, oddly enough.

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Yes agreed I'm getting my terms mucked up, what I was trying to get at is that I've got a really good draw here &amp; I want to get some bets in when the maniac is feeling frisky. I have seen him with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and going nuts on this board: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Therefore I'm getting some extra bets in because I believe I'm on a good draw &amp; he'll pay out on future streets.

[Eeegah]

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You can't value bet based on implied odds, if that's what you're implying, oddly enough.

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Yes agreed I'm getting my terms mucked up, what I was trying to get at is that I've got a really good draw here &amp; I want to get some bets in when the maniac is feeling frisky. I have seen him with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and going nuts on this board: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Therefore I'm getting some extra bets in because I believe I'm on a good draw &amp; he'll pay out on future streets.

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Yeah but this is bad unless you have equity here. If you've only got a 1/3 chance of making your draw (and winning) and you're paying 1/2 the money that goes into the pot, he's making money instead of you. It doesn't matter if he'll pay you off later, value bets are only applicable based on the equity for the street you're betting on.

Of course if you think you're ahead (or will win a showdown) more than half the time here then by all means.

[bravos1]

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Preflop: cap it. KQ is +EV hand, the fact that you are up against a maniac does not change that.

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River: Call, and hope he doesn't have Ad.

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What just happened here? PF, you advocate a cap against a LRR (which is potentially OK against some maniacs if your reads are good) and then you get MUBS with the 2nd nuts?

3-bet/call this please!

[Duncan]

I would cap preflop.
I don't mind the 3bet on the flop, you have 15 outs to top pair or better and a very slim chance of having the best hand. You probably have an equity egde.
I check the turn, just cause I dont want to get raised, and he's not folding. Take the free card.

3-bet the river for value, worse hands will pay you off here.

[Hobbs.]

not 3-betting this river against a maniac is criminal.