50nl - 2 silly spots against small 3b pf.

Split Suit · #1 09-26-2007, 03:27 AM

Assume no reads for either hand. Also assume im running 16/10/2. I generally dont have to worry about dealing with this small 3b (ppl generally just PSB it. but then again, that was on FTP. with no Pot button on PS, it seems to b a bit different). Also, on my quest to get looser, im raising these EP. im not rly worried about pf unless some can give crazy reasons to fold (either open fold or fold to small 3b)

 MP either has worse Ace, or PP here often. i cant justify block/folding the river given his stack sizing. are ppl calling this? folding? why?

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($48.30)
UTG+1 ($141.35)
Hero ($59.50)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($25.25)
CO ($11.25)
Button ($32.85)
SB ($30.85)
BB ($31.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP3 calls $2, 1 fold, Button raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP3 calls $2.

Flop: ($12.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $4, Button folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($20.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($20.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $17.25 (All-In), Hero...?

 I cant rly justify folding pf even tho im OOP. Anyone play this differently? Is everyone calling the turn? 

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($66.95)
UTG ($46)
Hero ($58.30)
MP1 ($29.45)
MP2 ($34.20)
CO ($49.75)
Button ($47.15)
SB ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, CO calls $4.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($14.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($14.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $11, MP2 raises to $29.7, CO folds, Hero...?

Vecernicek · #2 09-26-2007, 07:06 AM

Hand 2:

I personally don't really like the PF call w/o reads, but IMO, if you're going to play AQ OOP against a PF 3-bet, you usually have to go all the way with it when you hit Top 2.

Here, since MP2 is all in, you only need to call like $20 to win nearly $50. I think it's an easy call.

Vecernicek · #3 09-26-2007, 07:39 AM

Hand 1: I think you need to lead out or either C/R or C/F the flop. As played, is seems like you hoped to induce a bluff, so I guess you need to follow through with your line and call here.

Split Suit · #4 09-26-2007, 10:18 AM

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Hand 1: I think you need to lead out or either C/R or C/F the flop. As played, is seems like you hoped to induce a bluff, so I guess you need to follow through with your line and call here.

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donking = terrible. it makes me still blind on the hand. i dont get value off hardly anything. and a CR is the same thing (i dont get calld by anything i beat, and turn a hand with SD value into a bluff. which is silly to do)

and like i sed, stack sizes dont allow me to block/fold. so i think the only options on the river are check or open push. and open push doesnt get me value off anything rly.

Vecernicek · #5 09-26-2007, 05:00 PM

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Hand 1: I think you need to lead out or either C/R or C/F the flop. As played, is seems like you hoped to induce a bluff, so I guess you need to follow through with your line and call here.

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donking = terrible. it makes me still blind on the hand. i dont get value off hardly anything. and a CR is the same thing (i dont get calld by anything i beat, and turn a hand with SD value into a bluff. which is silly to do)

and like i sed, stack sizes dont allow me to block/fold. so i think the only options on the river are check or open push. and open push doesnt get me value off anything rly.

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Your explanation makes sense to me, but I think that if that is your rationale, then calling the river is a no-brainer after you called the flop.

I wonder, would you call have called a bet on the turn?

Split Suit · #6 09-26-2007, 05:50 PM

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I wonder, would you call have called a bet on the turn?

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lol, me too. yes, i calld both. hand one villian had A4. hand 2 villian had AT (river T, ldo). just line checking

Mike Kelley · #7 09-26-2007, 08:27 AM

Hand 1 - I think you played it fine if you folded the river. I wouldn't RR the flop try to control the size of the pot.

Hand 2 - I call the turn, because villains play AK for preflop minraises often at 50NL

Semtex · #8 09-26-2007, 08:52 AM

I'd need some kind of read in both. 1st one looks like a bluff so i might call. you'll see a set of aces here too, depends on the opponent. 2nd one no way i call.

Mike Kelley · #9 09-26-2007, 10:32 AM

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2nd one no way i call.

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Why?

There is 1 combo of AA out that has you nutted. I don't see TT minraise near as often as AK

Split Suit · #10 09-26-2007, 10:41 AM

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2nd one no way i call.

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Why?

There is 1 combo of AA out that has you nutted. I don't see TT minraise near as often as AK

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agreed. no KJ in here. only one AA, one QQ, a few TT. he cud b brain spasming with KK/JJ, AK is in here, and sometimes AQ as well. i think if we donk, we have to call. and i dont think there is anyway we shud check the turn ever.