2/4 weird preflop spot with JJ

[GrandMelon]

UTG is dogstare, a semi-reg who runs like 27/13. Hes not good but at the same time hes not retarded. He stacks off kinda light sometimes and occasionally makes dumb calldowns/bluffs. Half stack is an unknown so Im gonna assume hes retarded till proven otherwise.

I doubt dogstare smooth calls with AA/KK with a player behind so Im thinking his range is 99-QQ, AQ+. I think I can force him off those hands with a shove but Im not too sure.


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $392.00
BB: $507.45
UTG: $530.20
UTG+1: $347.70
MP1: $100.95
MP2: $183.55
MP3: $288.35
CO: $143.60
Hero (BTN): $459.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $16.00</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $16.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $60.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $44.00, <font color="red">MP2 raises all-in to $183.55</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $459.00</font>, like 270 to UTG

[soah]

looks ok

[gman339]

Looks good. I hate just calling here.

[boltonflats]

same thing grand...i dont see how you have the best hand here...but in the end, i think he may fold a very good hand here, even AK maybe.

[KurtSF]

Looks OK to me.

Calling would be barftastic. My nitty self gets avoidant at the shove and wants to fold. I wouldn't hold it against you. But I think your shove-over is fine too.

If your range is accurate you should be able to fold out 99, TT, JJ, and AQ. I think with all the money in there QQ and AK are still calling you. Especially given the fact that MP and UGT+1 are probably holding some of each other's outs, I like this.

[QTip]

Why does everyone hate calling PF?

[Mr_Donktastic]

Looks good.

You could flat call preflop but after you raise and MP2 pushes after cold calling its go time.

[KurtSF]

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Why does everyone hate calling PF?

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Basically:

* You're giving dogstare better than 3:1 to see the flop.
* Allowing him to play perfectly post-flop with overs, a good part of his range.
* Committing more than half your effective stack so that you can't fold, but not getting any FE along with your pot equity.

$0.02