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Old 09-23-2007, 05:48 PM
MyPTBB100isPOOP MyPTBB100isPOOP is offline
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Default Do you like a river shove here. line check....

Villian is kinda an agressive but standard tight player, we dont have much recent histroy. He is playing 18/15 over 300 hands.
I checked flop to get value on later streets, what do you think of that, and what do you think of all streets.
SB: $54.00
BB: $290.00
UTG: $260.15
MP: $439.15
CO: $440.95
Hero (BTN): $240.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $16.00

Flop: ($51) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($51) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $32.00</font>, Hero calls $32.00

River: ($115) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $184.70</font>,
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Old 09-23-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

whats the point of the shove?
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:00 PM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

i hate the river shove unless you guys have a ton of history or you have been aggro against him. you arent getting called by worse enough to make it profitable, so i would likely check unless i had a strong read that he is ready to look me up light.
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

horrible spot to push
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

at 18/15 I am not sure what he calls a 3bet with. TT, AQ, AK are not very probable, although there are players that would call with AK couse they have seen it on TV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

tricky AA,KK are a possibility, so is QQ that got scared on the flop

so my range of villain's hands on the river would be

AA,KK,AK with him being scared of the QQ on board, if I am right then the shove is good bc it can fold better hands IMO

is my range estimation too tight?
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:55 PM
yegon yegon is offline
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

I forgot to say that I think the check on the flop is too fancy. This is a 3bet pot if you check here it's definitely not going to help you get value on later streets. AK bets here 99% of the time so you are screaming you have AQ or KK+ with your check IMO.
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

This hand is all over the place, and not at all in a good way.
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

Kinda like it a lot actually.
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

I'd like this a lot at 5/10, but you don't need to merge your range at 1/2.

Bet 66 to get paid by smaller pairs.
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
MyPTBB100isPOOP MyPTBB100isPOOP is offline
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Default Re: Do you like a river shove here. line check....

The majority seems to hate it, which doesnt suprise me. I think yegon mentioned it, but part of my reason for shoving was that i thought he could end up w AA or KK some times, which i am hoping this player will fold to a shove. I dont know if thats wishing for too much, with most players it is, but i considered him compitent. I dont like it so much after thinkin about it, alittle to fancy for 1/2 but if he calls with TT or folds AA KK i feel like a genious.
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