600NL stupid hand versus regular

[Rampage_Jackson]

Villian is YAOMINGMING or whatever. His style is really annoying 15/7. My notes on him are:

open limp and then rr, wtf
thought my flush draw cr allin was set
rr pre small with KQs,
slow down with top set on turn
raise my utg raise on 493s board
call rr fold to 56As
limp utg, cr a Q8Ts flop then fold on ten turn
call oop and fold to db from tcblade
limp 22, call raise and stack my aa obv


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($600)
MP2 ($828)
MP3 ($615)
CO ($608.25)
Button ($648.20)
wpr101 ($765)
BB ($609)
UTG ($416.25)
UTG+1 ($376.50)

Preflop: wpr101 is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">wpr101 raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $24.

Flop: ($66) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">wpr101 bets $54</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $138</font>, wpr101 calls $84.

Turn: ($342) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
wpr101 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $204</font>, <font color="#CC3333">wpr101 raises to $597</font>, CO calls $236.25 (All-In).

River: ($1222.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $1222.50

[AlexB182]

This hand sucks, but I don't see how you could've played that diffently. Problem is that his calling range from the CO is hard to define, would he only flat call with TT or JJ? Would he overcall with 22 here? JT in his range?
I wouldn't put him on KK or QQ, so the only hand we beat here is something like AJ or KJ (strange PF call then) or a big draw like KQ, maybe of clubs. But still, I don't see how you could ve played this differently...

[sambo_888]

tough spot however if your willing to c/r him on the turn, why not reraise him on the flop?
since you know this villain and the flop is very drawy I like the reraise on flop better than the c/r on turn.

[SABR42]

I think I like a flop 3-bet better.

[Das Budrick]

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I think I like a flop 3-bet better.

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[novel20]

"limp 22, call raise and stack my aa obv"

[Rampage_Jackson]

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"limp 22, call raise and stack my aa obv"

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Hahaha yea that was this hand, didn't see I included that.

[Rampage_Jackson]

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I think I like a flop 3-bet better.

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Maybe i should have but I was thinking at the time let him bluff at it. Although he isn't that bluffy a player probably.

[boltonflats]

as played it looks fine. ive played against him tons as well, mainly straightforward but does a lot a strange moves, still cant figure out if sneaky or just bad play. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] here you're probably behind knowing yao, but tough to do anything about it.

btw, who ever suggested raising to $50 preflop is a little off. you dont mind getting heads up w AA, if they out flop you it happens. generally you -want- a preflop caller, not make everyone fold.

[Albert Moulton]

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as played it looks fine. ive played against him tons as well, mainly straightforward but does a lot a strange moves, still cant figure out if sneaky or just bad play. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] here you're probably behind knowing yao, but tough to do anything about it.

btw, who ever suggested raising to $50 preflop is a little off. you dont mind getting heads up w AA, if they out flop you it happens. generally you -want- a preflop caller, not make everyone fold.

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I don't think a pocket pair would fold every time to a $50 or $60 raise. He'd probably call hoping to flop a set less than calling a $30 raise, but still often enough to make the play profitable. The difference between raising more and raising less is that the smaller raise makes it correct for the CO to call, but the larger raise makes it incorrect, but enticing for him to call. It forces him to make a borderline decision that he will often make incorrectly (either folding a better hand when BB has AK or some semi-buff hand, or calling with a worse one when BB has KK/AA).

And as for "you dont mind getting heads up w AA, if they out flop you it happens." That happens if you let it happen. Yes, you do want callers, but you don't want callers who you help play their hands in a way that minimizes their chances of making a mistake according to the fundamental theorem of poker. And planning to raise a medium amount preflop relative to effective stacks, and then planning to play the overpair for stacks OOP on the flop and turn seems to help the guy in CO play perfectly.

It is possible to play AA OOP for a small or medium pot. It is possible to play AA OOP for stacks. The trick is to play in a way that maximizes your wins while minimizing your loses. If CO has a small pair, and you only raise 5xbb preflop, then you win with a cb everytime neither of you flop a set. If he flops a set on the cheap, then you pay him off way too much relative to his preflop risk. And the only way you win a big pot is if you flop set over set. So, raising more should make more when you cb and take down a bigger pot when neither of you flop a set, and you make him pay more (cutting down his implied odds) for the priviledge of stacking you when he flops a set.

The only way it doesn't work out is if he folds his pocket pair (or whatever he has) every time. But I don't think he will. He'll fold more, but not enough to make the larger raise less profitable than the smaller raise.