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16/18 : tough spot with TT in lvl 1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
MP2 (t1890) MP3 (t1580) CO (t1090) Button (t1330) SB (t1480) BB (t1380) UTG (t1500) Hero (t1500) MP1 (t1750) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>. Flop: (t230) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t140</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t280</font>, Hero calls t140. Turn: (t790) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t1370 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1120 (All-In). River: (t3280) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3030 I think AK and KQ are raising more on the flop and that a flush is not pushing the turn... good call? |
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Re: 16/18 : tough spot with TT in lvl 1
the action looks a bit weird, but when i glanced over the hand, my initial thoughts were.
pf: raise to t60, no need to bloat a pot OOP this deep. flop: bet t100, call the minraise or b/f. turn: c/f. |
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Re: 16/18 : tough spot with TT in lvl 1
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 (t1890) MP3 (t1580) CO (t1090) Button (t1330) SB (t1480) BB (t1380) UTG (t1500) Hero (t1500) MP1 (t1750) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>. Flop: (t230) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t140</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t280</font>, Hero calls t140. Turn: (t790) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t1370 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1120 (All-In). River: (t3280) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3030 I think AK and KQ are raising more on the flop and that a flush is not pushing the turn... good call? [/ QUOTE ] I think a very common and costly mistake that solid players make too frequently in low-med buy-in tourneys, is making reads based upon (weak/poor player's) bet sizes. In this hand your assumption is that bet size x (flop); y (turn) represent a given range for a solid/good player. The reality often is that random player z (MP1 in this hand), may have no clue when it comes to proper/correct bet-sizing (esp post-flop) whatsoever. Consequently, making a read on MP1, based upon flop/turn bet/raise-sizes, without 1st having established that he/she is a decent/solid/good player, might not yield an accurate range. Using bet-sizes as a tool to narrow the range of an opponent is essential to every winning player, but you have to observe the player in question's previous actions before you make a read like this in a big pot. In this hand, i could see a bad villain min-raising the your c-bet with a set (as he always does, on any board)...then shoving the turn out of fear when the 3rd club comes out. It could also be some ridic semi-bluff with 77, but in my experince, bad villains are not inclined to semi-bluff AI on the turn very often, most of their bluffs/semi-bluffs come on the flop or river. |
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Re: 16/18 : tough spot with TT in lvl 1
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[ QUOTE ] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 (t1890) MP3 (t1580) CO (t1090) Button (t1330) SB (t1480) BB (t1380) UTG (t1500) Hero (t1500) MP1 (t1750) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>. Flop: (t230) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t140</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t280</font>, Hero calls t140. Turn: (t790) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t1370 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1120 (All-In). River: (t3280) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3030 I think AK and KQ are raising more on the flop and that a flush is not pushing the turn... good call? [/ QUOTE ] I think a very common and costly mistake that solid players make too frequently in low-med buy-in tourneys, is making reads based upon (weak/poor player's) bet sizes. In this hand your assumption is that bet size x (flop); y (turn) represent a given range for a solid/good player. The reality often is that random player z (MP1 in this hand), may have no clue when it comes to proper/correct bet-sizing (esp post-flop) whatsoever. Consequently, making a read on MP1, based upon flop/turn bet/raise-sizes, without 1st having established that he/she is a decent/solid/good player, might not yield an accurate range. Using bet-sizes as a tool to narrow the range of an opponent is essential to every winning player, but you have to observe the player in question's previous actions before you make a read like this in a big pot. In this hand, i could see a bad villain min-raising the your c-bet with a set (as he always does, on any board)...then shoving the turn out of fear when the 3rd club comes out. It could also be some ridic semi-bluff with 77, but in my experince, bad villains are not inclined to semi-bluff AI on the turn very often, most of their bluffs/semi-bluffs come on the flop or river. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. So I'll assume this is a fold for you? |
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Re: 16/18 : tough spot with TT in lvl 1
I'd often just muck to the min-raise on the flop. But calling and check/folding the turn is still better than calling and check/calling the turn U/I.
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