(Strategy) I Need Help Here

[QTip]

So, I open with 88 in say MP1, and get raised by a decent player otb. Our effective stacks start as say 110bb.

So, let's say we both have $220 in a 1/2 game.

I've openend for $7, and he's made it $21. It folds around to me.

I've read the 3-8 rule and stuff, but I'm trying to make it practical here, and I'm a bit slow at these things.

Can someone help me with some clarity please?

Thx.

[AlexB182]

Is the 3 - 8 rule the little sister of the 5 - 10 rule?

[QTip]

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Is the 3 - 8 rule the little sister of the 5 - 10 rule?

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The post I had read, it was tweaked some there, so yes.

[Mike Kelley]

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Is the 3 - 8 rule the little sister of the 5 - 10 rule?

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The post I had read, it was tweaked some there, so yes.

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By Dan Bitel? I'm not a big fan of most of his strategy posts but, I think it was him that revised this and I think it's about right.

[AlexB182]

Ok, lets say we apply the 3 - 8 rule (am I right in thinking is's pretty much dealing with the same thing than the 5 - 10 rule? call if less than 5%, fold if more than 10%, use judgement inbetween.)

In that case, the stats in your example show that you have to invest another 6.5 % of your stack (after you openend for seven) to see the flop. That would be at the higher limit of the 3 - 8 rule, a little too much for my liking.

BUT: I think there are more factors to deal with like:
- how are your chances of stacking villain if you hit
- what is villains PF raising range
- how good is your read on villain (for example, will you be able to see if he's just CBing when a low flop comes? Can he easily be bluffed?)

Do you see what I mean QTip? Would love to hear more comments on that topic!

[whorasaurus]

Isn't this always a call? Am I wrong, or is the chance your hand is best + set odds + 2:1 make this a call as played?

[1p0kerboy]

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Am I wrong, or is the chance your hand is best + set odds + 2:1 make this a call as played?

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IMO it's a call against a lot of villians but not all.

The fact that your hand might be best is kinda trumped by the fact that you are at a positional disadvantage and could end up having to fold it anyways against an aggressive opponent.

IMO this call is good against:
[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Tight players. (better implied odds)
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[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Loose players who play pretty straight-forwardly postflop.

[coordi]

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Isn't this always a call? Am I wrong, or is the chance your hand is best + set odds + 2:1 make this a call as played?

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Even if your hand is best, your almost never going to SD without hitting your set.

[mattaasen]

88 play so bad unless u flop a set, and peeling flops oop , thats reallllly not good. Its best to fold here most of the time, occasionly call/4 bet they arent BAD but folding here is best most of the time. With position for 3x raise id call most of the time

[TheProdigy]

I'm wrong. I have been leaking in this category.

In 438 hands where I called a preflop 3-bet with TT or less, I am -1400.