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Old 09-19-2007, 01:44 AM
Warteen Warteen is offline
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Default 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Got myself into several awful spots tonight and this one capped a downright horrible session. Was my call pure tilt?
Not many hands with this villain, except that I had paid him off when he overbet his rivered 2 pair and it looked to me like a busted draw.

World Poker Exchange, $25 NL, 6 handed

Hero is Button (SB) with ~$47
Villain is BB with ~$40

Hero is dealt [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]

Preflop:
Hero raises to $1, Villain calls.

Flop ($2):
[T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Villain checks, Hero bets $1.50, Villain raises to $3.75, Hero calls.

(I figured I would trap the guy and let him bet the turn, proceed with impunity assuming a non-diamond.)

Turn ($9.50):
[Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

Villain bets $6, Hero raises to $12, Villain pushes all-in for ~$30, Hero calls.

Thoughts on all streets, please. I need to stop playing tired...
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:47 AM
Subzero_Wins Subzero_Wins is offline
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

I could see an argument for 3-betting the flop, some reads would help but my standard line would be to call as well.

On the turn you should just call, J9/QT got there and you can see a lot of sets.

Failing to just call I would fold to his 3-bet, you're toast here almost always.
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Against unknown, or just few hands, I 3bet flop for value and almost certainly felt it now. That c/r doesn't mean too much. His range should still be very wide. As played, that's not a good turn card. You should be calling here IMO. Lots of hands made two pair, straight. Once you raise though I don't see how you can really fold either.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

You need to have like 27% equity against his range to call, so he has to have a fair amount of combo-draws to make this a bare breakeven call.

Given the action on the flop, with the small raise and the turn bet/shove, I think its 44 or 88 often. I think I can find a fold against a tight villain, but its close.
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Results:
Villain flipped [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], river bricked, and Villain took most of my money and insta-left.
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

[ QUOTE ]
Results:
Villain flipped [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], river bricked, and Villain took most of my money and insta-left.

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you try and climb into the computer to grab him by the [censored] neck and pull him back to the table?! hate it when they hit and run.
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Didn't realize this really was heads up (a lot of times people just say that two to the flop).

Yeah 3-bang the flop and get it in.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Thank you for the advice, guys, especially JDLade. I will try not to get into this situation again... It was definitely avoidable had I played my hand better.
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

Some things to consider:
He called you from out of position, which narrows his range... then he check/raises almost MIN on a flop like that?
what possible hand can he have thats beating you?
TT (maybe, he might have raised pf), 88, 44, A8dd, A4dd
I choose one of 2 lines here depending on my opponents style
1. raise to about 10 on the flop, hoping to get value against AT, KT with a call-y opponent, while chasing dd draws away
2. I call, call, call against a bluff-y opponent... this is my prefered line, as his c/r indicates that he is either bluffing, or overvalues his hand.
Rarely, however, he will have you beat, which is why I wouldn't go crazy with one pair on the turn. min-raising is bad, it serves little purpose. Draws have odds to call it, worse pairs can find a fold where they normally might check/call a river value bet by you...
the MAIN reason I wouldn't minraise the turn though is that I would have no clue what to do if he pushed.


[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: 25 NL Overpair deep HU

getting it on flop, always.
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