Ewwww...

Bill Smith · #1 09-18-2007, 08:22 PM

2nd hand at the table - never seen villian before.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($11.24)
Hero ($9.90)
BB ($4)
UTG ($7.90)
MP ($16.10)
CO ($0.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $0.4, Hero raises to $1.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.95.

Flop: ($2.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.2, Button calls $2.20.

Turn: ($7.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks?... Button bets $2, Hero?

hennnerz · #2 09-18-2007, 08:31 PM

Urgh, worst turn possible probs.

Call and re-evaluate on river. You still have 5$ ish to push if board pairs and $5 saved if not I would c/f to most bets.

scallop · #3 09-18-2007, 09:15 PM

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Urgh, worst turn possible probs.

Call and re-evaluate on river. You still have 5$ ish to push if board pairs and $5 saved if not I would c/f to most bets.

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There is no re-eval! Call and only proceed if you boat or better.

Student Caine · #4 09-18-2007, 09:28 PM

Question....so if we call the turn and miss the River and he bets enough to shove in our last $5, we are ok folding when we are getting 3+:1?

scallop · #5 09-18-2007, 09:29 PM

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Question....so if we call the turn and miss the River and he bets enough to shove in our last $5, we are ok folding when we are getting 3+:1?

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Do you think we are winning this hand >25% UI ?

Student Caine · #6 09-18-2007, 09:33 PM

Dunno'..that's why i asked to be honest.

What hand range do we like for our villain here?

Rounder101 · #7 09-18-2007, 10:03 PM

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Question....so if we call the turn and miss the River and he bets enough to shove in our last $5, we are ok folding when we are getting 3+:1?

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Do you think we are winning this hand >25% UI ?

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Yes. If we want to think he will always have a Q or flush draw on the flop ok do so, but I dont feel its the case here. He raised PF and called our 3b. His range here might be 88+, so 99 and JJ are huge possibilities, AK is another one, KJ also. Why didnt he raise flop?? maybe he was "trapping" in his mind, we know we would have him beat. In fact, only flush draw I can see has us beat here is AQ hearts, or maybe AT hearts, other than that he has no FD. And I believe most of the time, any of those flush draws probably raise the flop, what other flush draw is he supposed to have here T8h, no he probably dumps that PF also.
So his range is much wider here than Q or flush, and we by no way are gonna fold almost 4-1 odds on the river, so by calling and check/folding (terrible play IMO) or calling and then c/c, we would be losing some possible value of worse hands that might just check behind the river, while he might bet with better hands, not to mention the Qh might be hitting just to make it terrible.What I mean is, if he has a straight or flush he bets and we will not fold, but if he has something like KJ, AK, 99, he might check behind and we lose value. So IMO the best line here is just to 3b shove the turn, if he has us beat, we have tons of outs there to save the day.

cabdo · #8 09-18-2007, 09:11 PM

Call getting 4.5:1 with great implied odds, shove river if board pairs.

Bill Smith · #9 09-18-2007, 09:37 PM

The hand continues...

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($11.24)
Hero ($9.90)
BB ($4)
UTG ($7.90)
MP ($16.10)
CO ($0.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $0.4, Hero raises to $1.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.95.

Flop: ($2.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.2, Button calls $2.20.

Turn: ($7.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero calls $2.

River: ($11.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.3...

Student Caine · #10 09-18-2007, 11:10 PM

That bastard...why doesn't he just shove FFS!!1!

I think we have to call this here. $2.30 is either the lamest value bet ever or a scared hand (JJ,99,QX)trying to get *something*.