kq bb vs sb push

[timmay28]

New table no read on villian.

My question is - if you don't call this, then how short a stack would villian have to have before you would call?

Full Tilt Poker $24+2
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7544
UTG+1: t16626
MP1: t2343
MP2: t23914
CO: t6775
Button: t1405
SB: t5364
Hero: t10537

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t5314</font>, Hero

[benneh]

foldfoldfold

but how far into the tournament are you?

see what he does in this situation next time. i fold cause SBs can do this a lot with Ax and theres no reason to get your money in with KQ just out of spite. no reason for you to gamble half your stack here.

i would probably call up to 2500.

[timmay28]

It was from the other day, think it was 50 or so from the bubble.

I folded, but wonder how short he'd have to be to make this a standardized call, as I only have 20 bb's myself.

[donquay]

I'd call because SB could be shoving ATC

[levAA]

This is somehow read-dependant.

SB's M is under 5.

If he is a thinking player his open-push range should be ATC - so this is a clear call.

If he is a tight player that has not or not correctly adjusted to the increasing blinds than this gets a gamble.

With no reads I would call. You have an M of 9, so you need to accumulate chips, and there is a good chance you are in front of his range.

The second point is, that with blinds and antes you get the right odds to call nearly every hand (except QQ+,AK,AQ) so also from the pot-odds this is a clear call.

[JammyDodga]

Surely with 10*BB its not correct for SB to push any two cards? I believe this can (and has been worked out)

Isn't is something more like any A, K, or Q, any pair and the high suited connectors and one gappers? J9 up? That's what I'd be pushing here.

[cheburashka]

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New table no read on villian.

My question is - if you don't call this, then how short a stack would villian have to have before you would call?

Full Tilt Poker $24+2
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7544
UTG+1: t16626
MP1: t2343
MP2: t23914
CO: t6775
Button: t1405
SB: t5364
Hero: t10537

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t5314</font>, Hero

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I'm trying not to look at responses before replying to posts, as I am doing this more to learn than to impart knowledge.

However, I noticed that 4Card has responded, and I assume he will say the following, which is eminently sensible: At this stage of the tourney, we should be looking for every possible restealing opportunity. This includes assuming that short stacks will push approximately according to the pushbot table (unless we have a strong read to assume otherwise), and calling somewhat tighter than that range. Since the pushbot table says SB should push ATC here, then this is an instacall with KQ, which crushes a random hand.

Did I get it right, 4Card?