Pot Odds and Flush Draws

timeonepointzero · #1 09-13-2007, 10:36 PM

I'm going to be reference'ing ed miller's preflop chart that was compiled by OhGeeTee. Link is

http://home.nyc.rr.com/nycgrip/preflop.pdf

The flop hit me and I had 9 outs (flush draw), and pot odds were 13:1 on the flop, where on the chart should I be looking at to figure out if I should call or fold? i'm looking at ed miller's break-even pot odds in SSHE and for 9 outs it's 4.1:1.

Also did I play this hand correctly? Players were pretty loose-passive (had about 30 hands each on them and around 40-60 VPIP). Since I had the 2nd best hand I was worried about someone having it since it was possible because the players were loose. Am I thinking about this the right way? Any comments you guys want to make?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.02/$0.04
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls (13:1), SB calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, CO folds, Hero calls (9.5:1), SB calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (11.5BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 17.5BB

Point Blank · #2 09-13-2007, 10:41 PM

raise the flop

Buzz-cp · #3 09-13-2007, 11:30 PM

Flop is a raise. If you read SSHE, then you should be aware of juicing flush draws and the free card play.

There is definitely room for a raise on the river.

timeonepointzero · #4 09-13-2007, 11:37 PM

do you guys mean reraise?

Buzz-cp · #5 09-13-2007, 11:39 PM

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do you guys mean reraise?

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Guy bets the flop, you raise.
Guy bets the river, you raise.

timeonepointzero · #6 09-13-2007, 11:44 PM

ops read that wrong,

also can you guys help me out on counting outs and odds in general and on how to use that pre-compiled chart?

Point Blank · #7 09-13-2007, 11:51 PM

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ops read that wrong,

also can you guys help me out on counting outs and odds in general and on how to use that pre-compiled chart?

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you wont find many chart lovers here ...

Bigka79 · #8 09-14-2007, 01:48 AM

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Flop is a raise. If you read SSHE, then you should be aware of juicing flush draws and the free card play.

There is definitely room for a raise on the river.

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am i reading this wrong or what. he did raise the river and didnt have the ability to raise more. i think it was played fine except for the flop

Point Blank · #9 09-14-2007, 01:50 AM

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Flop is a raise. If you read SSHE, then you should be aware of juicing flush draws and the free card play.

There is definitely room for a raise on the river.

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am i reading this wrong or what. he did raise the river and didnt have the ability to raise more. i think it was played fine except for the flop

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Bigka79 · #10 09-14-2007, 01:53 AM

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Flop is a raise. If you read SSHE, then you should be aware of juicing flush draws and the free card play.

There is definitely room for a raise on the river.

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am i reading this wrong or what. he did raise the river and didnt have the ability to raise more. i think it was played fine except for the flop

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still missing it i think sorry

Edit: got u now just read ur other post sorry