Cash game problems

myklej · #1 09-13-2007, 02:40 AM

I have a cash game with 8-10 guys and the blinds are $1 and $2. The max buy in is $100 and everyone is comfortable with that. We typicall have $2000 in the pot at nights end. The problem we are having is when someone gets busted later on in the game and they buy back in they cant really make a move on someone who has $500 or more, they have to just wait on the nuts basically. We have tossed around the idea of when the pot doubles you can buy in for double. Any help would be appriciated.

Taso · #2 09-13-2007, 03:10 AM

First of all, $100 is too short anyways. If you want to do $100 I'd say play a .50/1.00 game, instead of 1/2.

Secondly, why can't the guy with $100 make a move on the guy with $500? It's not a tournament, these are real cash dollars you are playing with. No one ever busts. Lets say play A is the guy with $100. Player B the guy with $500. Player A has 53 off suit, player B has 10 10. Flop comes
A Q 4. Player A moves all in for $98...Now, if player B is okay with losing $100 if beat, he'll call. If not, he'll fold.

Lets say the same situation, but Player B also has $100. If he thinks he might lose and is okay with that, he'll call, and if he's beat, he'll reload for another $100. If he's not okay with losing $100, he'll fold.

Same situation - it's real money.

myklej · #3 09-13-2007, 03:17 AM

first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

garcia1000 · #4 09-13-2007, 03:27 AM

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first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

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Anyway, skipping over your poker misunderstandings, what our group does is that initial buy-ins at 8PM are capped at $200, but people usually buy-in for $100 (we have $1/$2 blinds). After midnight, buy-ins are $400 max.

Taso · #5 09-13-2007, 03:43 AM

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first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

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I'm really not going to bother any further ,explaing how $100 is $100, any way you look at it.

I will say I like the ideas of making the buy in amount bigger when the pot doubles, or as others have said ,as time goes by. But again, the initial buy in is too low.

TexRef · #6 09-13-2007, 08:27 AM

I play in a regular game where the host initially capped buy-ins at $50 ... blinds were $0.25/$0.50. Since then we have raised the blinds to $0.50/$1 and at one point agreed that you could buy-in for $50 at 8pm, $100 after 10pm, and $200 at midnight. We had the same problem -- huge stacks towards the end of the night and no one wanted to buy-in for just $50.

Now the host pretty much allows anyone to buy-in for whatever... Most guys buy-in for $50-100 to start off and later $100-200 depending on what is on the table. No one seems to mind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Javanewt · #7 09-13-2007, 08:58 AM

I think the initial buy-in is too low.

Interesting that so many of you up the buy-in. What do you do at a casino if you bust out at a table full of big stacks? I guess you could ask for a table change (takes a while at my casino, so wouldn't work) or get back on the list and hope for a table with smaller stacks, but that would stink.

Up the initial buy-in and just play poker.

Lottery Larry · #8 09-13-2007, 10:35 AM

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first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

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They need to learn how to adjust to smaller stacks.

If it bothers them, raise the rebuy to double stack and leave it go at that. The game may get disagreeabley expensive for them...

Javanewt · #9 09-13-2007, 10:56 AM

I, too, don't see how a $500 stack can "push around" a $100 stack. Effective stacks are $100. The blinds haven't changed. The $100 is still a full buy-in (although I still think it's too small).

Maybe psychologically the $100 can be "pushed around," but if so, it's good for that person to play this way and learn from it.

Unless your players are only going to play in this game and never venture out to another game or a casino? Then, do whatever you want.

Lottery Larry · #10 09-13-2007, 11:01 AM

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I, too, don't see how a $500 stack can "push around" a $100 stack. Effective stacks are $100. The blinds haven't changed. The $100 is still a full buy-in (although I still think it's too small).

Maybe psychologically the $100 can be "pushed around," but if so, it's good for that person to play this way and learn from it.

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I don't think it's that simple, when exposing new players to NL (and by new, I mean new to big-bet poker)