Why are we not mentioning the post flop agressiveness

Crazy Porto · #1 09-12-2007, 10:27 AM

of our opponents when posting here?

I think this is an very important factor to consider making postflop desicions.
I see lost of players being agressive pre flop and passive post flop or the other way around.

I don't think the overall agression factor is sufficient enough.

Toughts?

1p0kerboy · #2 09-12-2007, 10:45 AM

We do use postflop agression factor.

It is typically the third number in the x/y/z format.

Crazy Porto · #3 09-12-2007, 10:51 AM

that's just the post flop agression factor?

Ok sorry my bet i tought is was weird tough.

so how do you catagorize the agg factor in agressiveness?

like 0-2 passive, 2-3 neutral and 3-100 agressive?

1p0kerboy · #4 09-12-2007, 10:55 AM

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so how do you catagorize the agg factor in agressiveness?

like 0-2 passive, 2-3 neutral and 3-100 agressive?

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0-1 Very weak.
1-2 Weak. Bets usually mean exactly what they represent.
2-3 Semi-aggressive.
4-5 Agressive.
5+ Extremely agressive. Expect many bluffs.

1p0kerboy · #5 09-12-2007, 10:56 AM

Of course, style has a lot to do with this as well.

Some players take passive lines in certain spots to induce bluffs or control the pot.

diebitter · #6 09-12-2007, 11:03 AM

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so how do you catagorize the agg factor in agressiveness?

like 0-2 passive, 2-3 neutral and 3-100 agressive?

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0-1 Very weak.
1-2 Weak. Bets usually mean exactly what they represent.
2-3 Semi-aggressive.
4-5 Agressive.
5+ Extremely agressive. Expect many bluffs.

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Good list. I'd add those floating around 2 (1.9-2.1) can be quite changeable given position and their/opponent stack sizes, IMO.

QTip · #7 09-12-2007, 11:05 AM

I think this would stand in NL as well...I have no idea. However, in the limit world, the meaing of the AF would vary based on the VPIP. For example:

A VPIP of 15 with an AF of 1 is pretty passive postflop.

A VPIP of 70 with an AF of 1 is quite aggressive postflop.

So, making a list like that wouldn't necessarily hold fast with every player.

Albert Moulton · #8 09-12-2007, 03:52 PM

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We do use postflop agression factor.

It is typically the third number in the x/y/z format.

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And typically the total aggression factor, "z," does not include preflop hands. There is a checkbox in Poker Tracker to exclude preflop hands in the calculation of total aggression factor.

diebitter · #9 09-12-2007, 10:49 AM

I would like to see as much info as you have got for any HH, but I think given many players are multitablers rather than 1/2 tablers, reads are a bit of a stretch. Stats at least is good. I think I might start posting more interesting hands along with my reads (maybe even my notes on that player - I need to work out if that's too much info, given all the people that see this site) at some point from my single table sessions.

CazicT · #10 09-12-2007, 10:51 AM

Personally, if I only have 30 hands or whatever on a villian, I don't mention any postflop numbers because there just isn't a big enough sample size so any number I post would just be misleading.

Once I start having around 100 hands i'll start posting the 3rd number. I'm not totally sure what the right number is when you can start relying on the postflop numbers, but I just use 100 because it's nice and round.

I usually write down my own observations too, which I find tend to be more useful anyway since numbers without context can be misleading, and much moreso postflop than preflop.