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Old 09-11-2007, 07:05 PM
Xanta Xanta is offline
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Default I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

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Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $435.20
BB: $216.90
UTG: $403.10
MP: $208.85
Hero (CO): $391.00
BTN: $37.00

Reads: <font color="blue">Hero built his stack in like 8 hands by playing really aggro preflop then bet/shoving aces into jacks preflop. Villain is more or less unknown, but has the name UTG making me think he's less donkish. Don't know how he got his stack</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $7.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($17) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $50.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $140.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $207.00

I'm pretty awful at playing deep, but I'm sure that preflop and flop are good. How do react to his 3bet?
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

calling the flop is much better than raise folding

when you raise THAT flop, you're gonna get raised or folded on pretty often
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

Ughh...there are like 239056 draws out there. Raise/folding is just so terrible. And you're not even THAT deep.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

What's his range? QQ+ and AK? Anyone got a stove versus that range?
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

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calling the flop is much better than raise folding

when you raise THAT flop, you're gonna get raised or folded on pretty often

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Thought about this, but aren't there a gagillion cards that suck for me on the turn? I guess being in position makes it easier to play. This might be one of those 'you can raise, but if you do you can't fold' spots.

Also, I think that any other play preflop sucks.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

"aren't there a gagillion cards that suck for me on the turn?"

If there are, then unles he has Ac Tc or 9c Tc, which are a very small portion of his range IMO, then there are a gagillion cards that suck for him too. And you are the one in position.

Preflop I would play the same; flop I would flat call again. Maybe you can boat up or if not you get to see what he does again, and can utilize your position in that you get to gain more info on his hand while your perceived range is presumably still quite large.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

Jack that's kind of an interesting aside. I don't even know whether it's important in the least, but raising the flop makes it real easy for him to play almost every hand in his range. Calling could make his life miserable on the turn.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

Pre-flop is bad, as played I don't mind the fold.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

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Pre-flop is bad

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PF is fine against an UTG open.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

Preflop is whatever. Raise/folding the flop is lol though.
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