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Old 09-10-2007, 01:11 PM
jeanbaptiste36 jeanbaptiste36 is offline
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Default Turn decision with Overcard

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5.20 BB

No real read on villain 21/1/1 over 14 hands.
The difficult decision is the turn. Should I run a bluff here?
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Old 09-10-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with Overcard

if you bet the turn its not as a bluff, DUCY?

fwiw against some villains i bet the turn and check the river, other I check the turn and call the river. its depends on their aggression level. and against some others i just give up by checking the turn and folding the river.

i would also fold preflop.
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: Turn decision with Overcard

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if you bet the turn its not as a bluff, DUCY?


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Because if villain has some sort of pair he won't fold it?
So I'm betting for value?

Seems very close this time.
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Turn decision with Overcard

fold preflop like 95
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with Overcard

Jean, why did you raise pre-flop with A3s? Trying to be more deceptive with your hands? Or are the players behind you really tight. If flop top split pair, you've got a really poor kicker. If you flop trey pair, there are many outs that villian can outdraw you.

However,
I ran your hand and the cards on the board on stove for turn street:
A3s 51%
Randome 49%

So I conclude that it's a coin flip. Given that there is a slight chance that he might fold on the turn, and you're facing a 3.20 BB pot, by putting 1 BB, I guess it's +ve expectation? Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you!
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with Overcard

Why, I raised? Because SSHE told me to raise suited aces first in from middle position. A3s is a little too weak for MP1?
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:11 AM
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Fold it preflop. As played, I fire the second bullet on the turn and fold to a rise.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:26 PM
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if you bet the turn its not as a bluff, DUCY?

fwiw against some villains i bet the turn and check the river, other I check the turn and call the river. its depends on their aggression level. and against some others i just give up by checking the turn and folding the river.

i would also fold preflop.

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This guys seems to be very average in terms of aggression but I think I will bet again because the board pairing and the wide calling-range in the blind.
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Old 09-10-2007, 01:18 PM
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This is totally read dependent. Agaisnt passive b/f, agaisnt aggro check/call river is fine. I saw a film called 'the parfume, story of a murderer' this weekend. Hope u are not that jeanbaptiste...
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:55 AM
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This is totally read dependent. Agaisnt passive b/f, agaisnt aggro check/call river is fine. I saw a film called 'the parfume, story of a murderer' this weekend. Hope u are not that jeanbaptiste...

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Not the way I smell right now. No.
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